merging children's profiles for Roelif Elting & Sarah Du Bois - Jemina/Jemima and Jacomyntje are the same person?

Question

I was going to propose a merge of Elting-33 and Elting-17, but if Jemina & Jacomyntje are the same person... they & Elting-19 should each merge into Elting-1. So.. it looks like just one person: Jemina Jacomyntje Elting (christened 1706 & married 1733 to William C.)  Give a holler if you think these are two different daughters, otherwise I'll propose the merges this weekend.

Cheers, Liz

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seems like they're different people... I'll leave them for the profile managers to sort out!  Thanks Rob!

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Actually, I think all 4 of the individuals are the same person, and have found another reference in the first work I cited (page 484) that states Roelif Elting's will probated in 1747 and amongst other details leaves certain sums to Jacomyntje wife of Wm. Codebec.

Looking at some of the other family branches of the Elting family "Jemima" appears to be an anglicized version of Jacomyntje.

Also I missed the child James in my previous post... combining the two sources would give us:

Father: Roelif Elting(e) (bap. 27 Oct 1678, m.1703, d bet 1745 and 1747)

Mother: Sarah Du Bois

Siblings (not necessarily in order): i.Noah (b.1721); ii. Josias (bap. 12 Oct 1712) iii. Abraham; iv.Johannes "John"; v.Margaretta "Margaret" (m Abraham Bevier); vi. Cattrina

Spouse: William Cuddeback (m.8 Apr 1732 s/o Jacob Cuddeback & Margaret Provost)

Children. i. James; ii. Abraham; iii. Benjamin; iv. Roulif; v. Sarah

Of note the children name James, Abraham, and Benjamin are all also names of siblings of William Cuddeback. Roulif and Sarah correspond to the names of Jacomyntje's parents.

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@LIZ - Make sure you read the bottom of this post.

@Everyone - Some more info related to these profiles

Source:

Hoes, Roswell Randall (Trans. Ed.). Baptismal and Marriage Registers of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster Coounty, New York. New York: De Minne Press, 1891. hosted at the Internet Archive. http://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00king#page/562/mode/2up

Marriage Register Transcriptions

Register #756 - 2 May 1733, Willem Koddebek, j.m., born in Menissing [Minisink] and Jacomyntjen Elting, j.d., born in Kingstown, and resid. in the Pals [New Paltz]. Banns registered 8 April.  [Marriage by Domine Petrus Vas, of Kingston]

Baptismal Register Transcriptions (Read as Register No./date/Father/Mother/Child/Witness/Witness)

1484 - 3 Sep 1704, Roelof Elting ; Sarah Du Bois ; Johannes ; Cornelis Elting ; Rebecca van Maitre.

1519 - 17 Mar 1706, Roelof Elton ; Sara De Bois ; Jacomeyntie ; Abraham de Bois, junior ; Jacomeyntie de Kunst.

1734 - 31 Oct 1708, Roelof Elting ; Sara du Bois ; Abraham ; Willem Elting ; Jennetie Lessier.

1906 - 7 Jan 1711, Roelof Eltinge ; Sara de-Boys ; Margrietjen ; Isaak de Boys ; Catryntjen d'Boys

2074 - 12 Oct 1712, Roelof Elten ; Zara de Boys ; Josia ; Abraham de Boys ; Gerrit Wynkoop ; Margriet Doloy ; Hilletjen Gerrits.  {Note: 4 witnesses/sponsors}

2579 - 18 May 1718, Roelof Elten ; Zara de Bois ; Margrietjen ; Mathys ten-Eyk ; Janneke Roosa. {Note: Name reused, suspect the previous Margrietjen died as a child}

2932 - 3 Dec 1721, Roelof Elting ; Zara du Bois ; Noach ; Johannes Herdenberg ; Catrina Rutsz.

4357 - 19 Jun 1734, Willem Coettebek ; Jacomyntje Elting ; Jacobus; Jacob Van Netter ; Antje Wessebroek.

4773 - 4 May 1737, Willem Kottebek ; Jacomyntje Elting ; Sara ; Jan Elting ; Jannetje Janse.

There are also these transcriptions from Machackemak (Deer Park, NY) transcribed on Olive Tree Genealogy: http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/church/machackemeck-deerpark.shtml

Baptisms: (read as date/parents/child/witnesses)

31 Oct.1738 ; Willem Kottebek ; Jacomyntje El-ting ; Abraham ; Abraham Kottebek, Noemi Kottbek. (Also on Familysearch.org:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2CH-KRQ )

20 Jan. 1745 ; Willem Kuttebeck ; Jacomynte Elten(Eltinge) ; Roelof Elten ; Gerardus van Nimwegen, Jannetje De Witt, his wife (Also on Familysearch.org: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2CH-KPH )

21 June 1747 ; Willem Cuddebeck ; Jacomyntje Etten ; Benjamin ; Evert Hoornbeck, and wife Lena Cuddebeck

Also for interests sake a sibling of William Cuddeback also appears in this register.

19 Aug. 1716 ; Jacobus Koddebeck ; Margriet Provoost ; Abraham ; Juriaen Westfael, Maritije Koddebeek

Liz - I know you were working on the Joost Jansen van Meteren who also married a Sara Du Bois so it caught my eye when I say those names in the register for Kingston, Ulster (first linked source). I didn't check for all entries, but baptisms 329, 466, 616, and 863 jumped out at me.

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Wow Rob- Thanks SO MUCH!! Always love it when you drop by the New Netherland Settlers :D

Cheers, Liz

Answer 1

Jacomyntje d/o Roelif and Sarah is mentioned in http://archive.org/stream/historyofnewpalt01ralp#page/482/mode/2up She is born in New Paltz, N.Y. There is also a cousin named Jacomyntje Elting who marries Noah s/o Roelif and Sarah.

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofdeerpar00guma#page/44/mode/2up gives William Cuddeback, and Jemima Elting marriage date as 8 April 1732. Their children are given as: Abraham (m. Esther Gumaer); Benjamin (m. Catharine van Fliet); Roulif; Sarah (m, Daniel van Fliet). Page 41 specifies that Jemima was "of the Old Paltz"

As far as the discrepancy between New Paltz and Old Paltz... the Gazetteer of the State of New York published in 1824, indicates the village that we now identify as New Paltz in the township of New Paltz was usually called "Old Paltz".

Answer 2

Make records say they are the same person.