How to document old Occupations?

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How do we document old occupations inside WIkiTree?

I added occupation Category Träskomakare and found this movie how they created Träskor 

I feel we should have some kind of "standard" how we gather good resources like this

WikiTree profile: August Olausson
in The Tree House by Living Sälgö G2G6 Pilot (297k points)
edited by Living Sälgö

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The occupation or occupations for a person should be listed in the biography section of the profile with an description of what it was when needed. You could set up a category for them if you need or want to search them but a dedicated box with the fields you wish would take up too much space on some profiles, in my case you would need at least 6 of those boxes with fields for each.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)
selected by Jack Day
A general or main occupation such as Farmer or Blacksmith is what I was attempting to indicate. I have a vast array of skills but I have one main occupation.
Tony I originally worked as a farm worker, then I worked in retail grocery, then I was a vacuum repair person, electronic organ repair person, and machinist.. Those are just some of my main jobs during the past 54 years. I also ran a rubber manufacturing facility for a while. So would you say I should only pick one to list? All were jobs I did and not just skills I have.
That's easy, Dale! It's called "Jack of all Trades". Just joking. I get what you're saying. I too have had my hands in many things from machinist, welder, custom auto and motorcycle building to remodeling and new home construction. By trade I would have to be classified as a remodeling contractor as that is what I have done the longest.

I think Magnus did exactly the right thing by creating a category for the occupation, which he can place on the profiles it applies to.  The category for Träskomakare -- a catregory in the Swedish language stream -- itself is a subcategory under Yrken, the Swedish language equivalent for Professions, which is where we have all the occupations.  

When one's interests take you in the direction of forming special groups, the category structure allows that.  For instance, in making woollen cloth there were fullers and walkers, who stomped on the cloth in a big vat to get the impurities out.  Both Fuller and Walker became common surnames.  If you were curious, you could create a high category for  "Medieval Wool Making" and nest the Fuller and Walker categories under it.  Doing that would NOT require others to create parallel high level categories for "Medieval Boat Building" or "Medieval Sword Sharpening."

The flexibility of the present system of biographical narratives and inline sources and various categories is that you do not HAVE to do this.   By contrast, to standardize all profiles with a box for occupation would then compel you to find this bit of information.  For some profiles it's interesting and important information, for others, it's not.  Furthermore, every single thing must be documented, and the place to do that is in the biography.  So once you've got it in the biography with a good inline source saying where the information came from -- do you really need it in a special box or in the data field?  

 

>>  do you really need it in a special box or in the data field?  

The cool thing I have learned is when you have structured data you can start ask queries that will change the way we do genealogy...  

Example of queries at Wikidata on people connected to WIkiTree

+8 votes
It would be nice to have a dedicated box to list the occupation/trade of an individual.
by T Lacey G2G6 Mach 3 (34.4k points)

Yes fields for occupation with 

  • start date 
  • end date
  • location

would be the best 

===> you could 

  • search after all priest in Florida between 1850-1860
  • search and see between what years you had people with occupation clog craftsmen...
+7 votes
I think occupations are a great research tool as you go farther back in time.

Today people do jump occupations a lot.  So an input field may be for the longest occupation you worked in.  Or the current or last occupation.  

I like the idea of being able to search on occupation because if you are doing research in the 1700s or before an occupation may have links to guilds and guild records are a relatively (no pun intended) unused goldmine of information.  I know that one branch of my family were glass and crystal makers and that can make a huge difference in finding them when they moved to a different location.  There is a lot of information in records from Ducs, Barons, Earls,  etc with correspondence among various guilds and their members.
by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (832k points)
Laura, Having a box just for the current/last/longest occupation would mean that we would be making that one the most important, but would be bad because it would ignore other occupations held. The best solution is already in place, create or add a category. Then searching is very easy and there is room for all occupations the person had.
+4 votes
Old occupations are fun. I remember working on one profile where the person's occupation was listed as "Higgler" (which I'd never even heard of), so I'd make my wife giggle by intoning, "Never fear, Dorset, when there's higgling to be done, [person] is on the job."
by Greg Slade G2G6 Pilot (679k points)

Agree and maybe many people on WikiTree has stories about themself that should be written down to the next generation of bloggers and app developers..... 

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