Tryon and Lucas families - Middletown, CT circa 1770-1780

Question

With the help of w few dedicated WikiTree Tryon researchers - especially Laurie Keller -  I have been trying to piece together and disentangle various branches of the Tryon lineage.  

The current puzzle is this - trying to resolve the parents of  Noah Tryon [Tryon-2172] we are led to consider whether John Tryon [Tryon-138] is the best candidate, or if there is another John Tryon of the same period that we are missing.

Tryon-138 married Rhoda Lucas 1769.

I find three records of three  births to a John Tryon and Phebe Lucas (through Family Search index - Connecticut Births and Christenings, 1649-1906," all citing Middletown.  Two daughters Phebe (1769), Mabel (1171) and son Noah (1772).    

The first child listed among those for John & Rhoda here on wikitree is Mary Tryon (1774), and there is another listed for them in 1774 - Jeremiah.

I would appreciate advice and assistance in making sense of this.  

Perhaps there was another John Tryon who married Phebe and those are their children.  Perhaps Phebe and Rhoda are close relations.  Perhaps Phebe and Rhoda are the same person.  I haven't seen originals, I am largely dependent upon database/indices, and I have not made a study of the Lucas family.   

I am hoping someone else interested in this line has run into this and has made sense of it.  I see some researchers on other sites have connected the Noah Tryon I am researching with this John & Rhoda, but I don't know their reasoning.

Answer 1

http://dunhamwilcox.net/source_files/tryon.htm

 

 

 

Children from this marriage were:

   23 F    i. Mary Tryon ²⁰ was born on 24 Nov 1735 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ¹⁸. 

Mary married Ruben Clark ^22 23, son of Pealtiah Clark and Anna Sutliff, on 14 Nov 1754 ²¹. (Ruben Clark was born on 26 Nov 1735 in Haddam, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁴ and died in Western New York State ²⁰.)

Documented events in his life were:

1. Revolutionary War Service; 1777-1780; Sheffield, Berkshire, MA ²⁵. Clark, Reuben. Private, Capt. Enoch Noble's co., Col. John Ashley's (Berkshire Co.) regt.; enlisted Aug. 1, 1777; discharged Aug. 20, 1777; service, 20 days; marched to Bennington by order of Brig. Gen. Fellows and Committee of Safety on the request of Gen. Stark; roll certified at Sheffield; also, Capt. Samuel Warner's co., Col. John Brown's (Berkshire Co.) regt.; enlisted July 18, 1780; discharged Oct. 23, 1780; service, 3 mos. 13 days; enlistment, 3 months

2. VR - Birth; 26 Nov 1735; Haddam, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁶. Birth appears to have been recorded, along with those of other children, after the death of their mother, Anna Sutliff Clark.

   24 M    ii. Abel Tryon ²⁷ was born on 5 Oct 1734 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and died on 31 Mar 1791 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   25 F    iii. Phebe Tryon ²⁷ was born on 9 Apr 1737 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and was baptized on 17 Apr 1737 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   26 F    iv. Abiah Tryon ²⁷ was born on 30 Sep 1738 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and died on 8 Oct 1738 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   27 F    v. Ruth Tryon ²⁷ was born on 7 May 1740 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷, was baptized on 11 May 1740 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and died in 1776 in New Jersey ²⁷. 

   28 M    vi. Thomas Tryon ²⁷ was born on 4 Nov 1741 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   29 F    vii. Jemima Tryon ²⁷ was born on 9 Dec 1743 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and died on 10 May 1821 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   30 F    viii. Rachel Tryon ²⁷ was born on 25 Sep 1745 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and was baptized on 29 Sep 1745 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   31 F    ix. Sarah Tryon ²⁷ was born on 1 Jun 1747 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and was baptized on 7 Jun 1747 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷. 

   32 M    x. John Tryon ²⁷ was born on 25 Jun 1749 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷, was baptized on 2 Jul 1749 in Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ²⁷ and died in Sep 1815 in Berlin, Hartford Co., CT ²⁷. 

Comments

The above is partial due to the capacity limitations for one post, but if you click on the following you can view the entire message:

http://dunhamwilcox.net/source_files/tryon.htm

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Thanks for the link and data.  Curiously no (mention or) connection to the Lucas family in those 4 generations, though the last male in the list is the John Tryon of interest here.   

I'm finding no record of a Phebe Lucas thus far, and the gap between John's marriage to Rhoda Lucas and the first child attributed to them leads me to believe that Phebe Lucas is meant to be Rhoda Lucas.

Also, Laurie Keller reports no sign of another John Tryon that fits the location data.

Answer 2

www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Tryon&GSiman=1&GScid=640494&GRid=43451893&

John Tryon

Birth:  Jun. 25, 1749 Middletown Middlesex County Connecticut, USA Death:  Sep., 1815 Connecticut, USA   Family links:   Spouse:   Rhoda Lucas Tryon (1750 - 1814)   Inscription: Ae 66   Burial: Maple Cemetery  Berlin Hartford County Connecticut, USA   Created by: C Greer Record added: Oct 23, 2009  Find A Grave Memorial# 43451893 Added by: Erin Nikitchyuk   Added by: C Greer   Cemetery Photo Added by: Jan Franco

Comments

Thank you, interestingly, the profile here on wikitree for John has a link to another findagrave entry for John (same dates, etc.) - at a different cemetery, no photograph available.  This is helpful as we have an image of the marker for John & wife Rhoda.

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No memorial has been found for Rhoda's father, John, although he may be buried at the same cemetery.

Answer 3

www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=43451916

Rhoda Lucas TryonBirth: May 10, 1750
Middletown
Middlesex County
Connecticut, USADeath: Aug., 1814
Connecticut, USA
 
Family links: 
 Parents:
  John Lucas (1735 - 1776)
 
 Spouse:
  John Tryon (1749 - 1815)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 Burial:
Maple Cemetery 
Berlin
Hartford County
Connecticut, USA 
Created by: C Greer
Record added: Oct 23, 2009 
Find A Grave Memorial# 43451916

Comments

I wonder if Rhoda's father, John Lucas, (1735-1776) died in 1776 while serving in the American Revolutionary War.

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I think that attribution in find-a-grave may be incorrect regarding her Father -- we have her father's name as Moses Lucas [Lucas-1196]  ... The link to John Lucas returns "Memorial not found" ... someone seems to have caught the error.