Geoffrey de Say(e) descendents

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I am approved for Mayflower & Jamestowne and Huguenot Societies already.   Am trying to connect to Magna Carta via what I believe is a surety baron, Geoffrey deSay(e).  Are there "Silver Books" of the MG Barons through the first 5 generations as the Mayflower has for the 42 men that landed.   To my knowledge, I can't find a Gateway Ancestor -- have a gigantic "tree" printed out with at least 20 generations past the Mayflower/Jamestowne names.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
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Why Geoffrey de Say in particular?

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Geoffrey deSay(e) in particular since his name shows up in one of my lines and he was a surety baron of the Magna Carta.  By using various websites, I have charted out all my lines from William White (Mayflower) which ends in Leiden, Holland, and John Vassall of Jamestowne.  John's son, William, married Anna King and it's her line with the various branches I have followed back to Geoffrey deSay(e).  That's why I was hoping there were "Silver Books" like the Mayflower of the first 5 generations.  Thanks
by Toni Penner G2G Crew (780 points)
There is a book: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215. The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America During the Early Colonial Years, by Frederick Lewis Weiss, with additions & corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard & David Faris. I have a copy of the 4th edition (1991).

There is no White or Vassall mentioned in the index.  You might see if there is a newer edition.

Try your library or interlibrary loan.
Can you give your sources for the ancestry for the ancestry of Anne King?  I did not think her ancestry is generally known.  

It has long been known that she was the daughter of George Kinge and Joan Lorran of Woodham Mortimer, Essex, England.  Wikitree has these parents and this is where it stops.  I do not believe the ancestry of either George Kinge or Joan Lorran has been discovered and published.
Also note that the Vassall line on WikiTree is currently wrong.  The parents of William Vassall are John Vassall and Anne Russell, but nothing is known beyond this.

Can you add the tag Euroaristo since it concerns a proposed magna carta line.
Based on what I've found, Anna King's father was George (1566-1625) and Joane Lorran (1571-1613).  Grandfather is Capt. William King (1544-1609) and Blanch Mainwaring (1548-1601)...and it goes on from there.
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 Sorry Toni, I think I am going to have to break your line.  There is no reason to think that George King of Cold Norton, co. Essex was the son William King of Cheshire.  There are no wills or baptisms to connect the two families, and Essex is on the opposite side of England from Cheshire.

Even if he were, the line would break in the very next generation.  Blanche Mainwaring is said on the internet to be a daughter of Arthur Mainwaring and Margaret Mainwaring.  This is wrong and I believe her ancestry is unknown.  The family of Arthur Mainwaring occurs in a couple of Visitations which names his children including daughters – George, Elizabeth, Margaret and Maria (no Blanche).  He also left will naming his son and heir George, a daughter Elizabeth, Elizabeth’s son Arthur Aston (again no Blanche).

 

Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 2.

Visitation of Shropshire, taken in the year 1623 part II (Harleian Society Visitation Series, Vol. 29., 1889):349.

History of Parliament Online, biography of Arthur Mainwaring.

NEHGR 109:91-102, NEHGR 51:280-285

by Joe Cochoit G2G6 Pilot (204k points)
Hey thank you for link Joe this will come in handy(and also for good reading for entertainment as well)
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by Troy Smith G2G6 Mach 5 (54.1k points)

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