Any information on a James Mccoy,married Ellen Quinn in 1897 in Philadelphia.

0 votes
587 views
in Genealogy Help by anonymous G2G Rookie (130 points)
Do you have any more facts about them, birth year(s), birth location, such as state, county, and or city? Would you have any information on immediate descendants?
Don't know if you're familiar with familysearch.org (at the moment there appears to be server problems, hopefully resolved soon) but a search for "james mccoy" born 1865 to 1880, provides lots of possibilities, including James' marriage to "Quinn" in Philly. Can't access the image for the marriage index at the moment, but you might want to check later to see if it provides additional information.

EDIT - site is up again. No add'l info from that marriage index entry.
Am searching for a while for my Great Uncle James Mccoy.This James just  seemed like a good candidate.Great Uncle James was born in Ardee County Louth Ireland  in Feb.1868.His parents were Bernard Mccoy and Catherine Matthews.

2 Answers

0 votes
It lookslike he was born in Ireland around 1864

 

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M37G-M9C
by Maureen Rosenfeld G2G6 Pilot (181k points)
the familysearch.org 1900 US Census has and estimated marriage year of 1897, but James McCoy, Jr. was 8 years old in 1900, and would have been born about 1892. So, would James and Ellen marry 5 years after James, Jr. was born?

Although there's no indication for prev marriages, considering the difference in ages between the children, and second one born apparently soon after the marriage date, the possibility of a previous marriage should be considered. I.e., this James and Ellen may be the ones sought, and James was married previously (previous wife also born Ireland, from birthplace of James Jr's mother).

Right, and James McCoy, Jr. was 8 in the 1900 Census, and was born in PA a few years prior to the 1897 wedding.
Same question, Frank - why not by a previous marriage?

It could be from a previous marriage or other circumstance. Did you notice the 1920 US Census for James McCoy Sr. and son, James McCoy Jr.? The 1920 Census has James Sr. born in PA rather than in Ireland. 

McCoy

Recorded as McCoy and sometimes McKoy, this interesting surname is of Irish, Scottish and Manx origins. It is a developed form of the Old Gaelic Mac Aodha, meaning the son of Fire, originally the name of a Celtic pagan god. The McCoys came to Ireland as gallowglasses, their home territory being the Isel of Man and the southern isles of Scotland such as Islay. In Ireland the surname is chiefly found in the Counties of Armagh and Monaghan with a sprinkling in County Limerick and even far away in Cork. (Click on address below for more information).

 http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Mccoy#ixzz2bUzDEEuY

Yes, I did see it. It certainly looks like the same persons. Re: birthplace: I wouldn't think there's any significance. As I'm sure you well know, birthplaces of self and parents vary a lot from census to census.

However, maybe I'm misunderstanding the intent of the answer you posted. Are you saying that's not the same James McCoy (Sr or Jr), because of the birthplaces? James Jr in 1900 had both parents born Ireland. In the 1920 census (looked up) you posted, James Jr had both parents born Pennsylvania.

Regarding James Jr, the following provides another possibility. James Sr may have married previously another woman named Ellen who died before 1897. Unfortunately, I can't access the image itself as it's restricted but here's the index info.

James Mccoy, "Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Births, 1860-1906"

Name: James Mccoy
Titles and Terms:  
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 11 Feb 1891
Event Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Race: W
Father's Name: James Mccoy
Father's Titles and Terms:  
Father's Birthplace:  
Father's Age:  
Mother's Name: Ellen
Mother's Titles and Terms:  
Mother's Birthplace:  
Mother's Age:  
Note:  
Additional Relatives:  
Registration Date:  
Registration Place:  
Reference ID: bk 1891 p 88
GS Film number: 1289330
Digital Folder Number: 004198965
Image Number: 00243

 

That birth looks like a good possibility.
Checked the 1900,1910,1920 and 1940 Census,found a James and Ellen in Ward

18 Philadelphia City.In 1940 census Ellen is a widow.Cannot find them in 1930 Census.If i could find James death cert ,would it have his parents names on it.Only way that i am going to know for sure.

Death certificates may or may not indicate his parents. Information on death certificates is commonly provided by an informant. If the informant doesn't know, it won't appear, or the information may be inaccurate or incomplete, though better information than none.

There are other possibilities, Hugh, such as obituaries and news articles that read "James McCoy was visiting his parents...". Obituaries are same as death certificates, however, as someone other than the deceased provided the informaiton. I have access to a couple newspaper sites. I'll take a look. EDIT - No joy. No hits for Philadelphia newspapers 1920-1955 for James or Ellen. Searching elsewhen and elsewhere comprises a few thousand hits. Sorry.

You can also look at the Chronicling America site, though the dates may be available.

0 votes
Name: James Mc Coy Sr.
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1920
Event Place: Philadelphia Ward 1, Philadelphia, PA
District: 23
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head James Mc Coy Sr. M 55 Pennsylvania
Son James Mc Coy Jr. M 28 Pennsylvania

Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1920," index and images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MFYL-2HV : accessed 09 Aug 2013), James Mc Coy Sr., 1920.

by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)

Related questions

+1 vote
2 answers
0 votes
1 answer
81 views asked Jul 29, 2013 in Genealogy Help by anonymous G2G Rookie (220 points)
+2 votes
0 answers
90 views asked Jul 29, 2013 in Genealogy Help by anonymous G2G Rookie (220 points)
+2 votes
1 answer
+5 votes
1 answer
0 votes
1 answer
80 views asked Jul 19, 2012 in Genealogy Help by anonymous

WikiTree  ~  About  ~  Help Help  ~  Search Person Search  ~  Surname:

disclaimer - terms - copyright

...