Questions regarding Hezekah Stout and his parents

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Did  Johnathan and Hannah have a son named Hezekiah who married  Sarah Kline and is that Hezekiah the same Hezekiah that is listed on the Tax Rolls for 1793 Harrison, Virginia as Hezekiah, Son of Benjamin?
WikiTree profile: Jonathan Stout
in Genealogy Help by Lance Martin G2G6 Pilot (101k points)

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Hezekiah Stout

Birth:  1755
Monmouth County
New Jersey, USA
Death:  1810
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Hezekiah Stout, Sr.

Descendants of Richard Stout 


Hezekiah was the son of Jonathan Stout and Hannah Jewell. He was dismissed from Old School Baptist Church, Hopewell, NJ to Virginia on April 20, 1771. Obtained a certificate for 400 acres on the waters of Simpsons Creek, Harrison co., VA which included his settlement of 1771. He later moved to Hackers Creek. (Virginia Land Office Grants Book 27, p. 300.) Listed on first tithable list for Harrison co. (1784). Inventory of his estate filed in Harrison co., WV, undated, administrator was his son, Amos Stout. Sale bill dated June 8, 1811. Settlement dated Feb. 25,
1812.
 
 
Family links: 
 Parents:
  Jonathan Stout (1715 - 1811)
  Hannah Jewell Stout (1725 - 1805)
 
 Spouse:
  Sarah Stout (____ - 1823)
 
 Children:
  Thomas Stout (1793 - 1859)*
 
 Siblings:
  Thomas Stout (1742 - 1837)*
  Hezekiah Stout (1755 - 1810)
  Amos Stout (1764 - 1849)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 
Burial:
Unknown
 
Created by: TCB
Record added: Dec 28, 2016 
Find A Grave Memorial# 174593611
by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
At the time of the first US Census in 1790, West Virginia and Kentucky were part of Virginia. "Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censesus. 1790-1920," by Thorndale and Dollarhide. Page 349.
There are multiple puzzles around this individual. There are many versions of the family tree.

The family tree which currently exists at wikitree is a point of contention amongst researchers. More trees are being built at Ancestry and Find A Grave.

The wikitree version is being defended by arguing the Hezekiah that is listed on the tax forms did not marry Sarah Cline and was not a son of Benjamin.

Lance,

This is my reply to statements made about my sources on Stout-3474.

Lance,

 My question was who wrote the names after the name Hezekiah: Jonathan  after one and Benjamin after the other..  

All of the sources were cited in the profile--all of them name Hezekiah who married two widows as a brother to Jonathan.
John Stilwell--

http://archive.org/stream/historicalgeneal04stil#page/333/mode/1up/search/jewell

Nathan Stout--on page 10 http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/monmouth/history/family/stout01.txt

Roberta Fuller: http://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/Bonham%20Family/BonhamHannahStout.html#JonathanStout

Russell Ray Stout: Ch VI Benjamin Stout--He quotes a former president of Glenville Normal now State College, a Stout descendant regarding the grave of Absalom's grandmother and VII Jonathan Stout

Stilwell and Nathan Stout did not continue the lines those who left NJ--which includes Jonathan, Benjamin and Hezekiah who married the widows.  This Hezekiah did return to NJ and died there.

The deeds, tax lists except 1792 that seems to say son of Jonathan, and other sources--such as Jonathan being dismissed from Hopewell Baptist do not name the parents of this Hezekiah.  And lots of those records were transcribed by Patt Seitas who contributed much to the search of Stouts.  If oral history is acceptable to name his parents then the oral history of Emsey Rutherford and husband Philip who lived in the Hezekiah Jr household in his childhood and given land in Hezekiah Jr's will must be considered as well,  The oral history that is being accepted his Emsey's sister's child.  The Bible of Hezekiah Stout, who married the widows that had Hezekiah Jr's marriage record for Margaret Ann Smith and some children's birth was a great find.  It is necessary to continue the search in my opinion.

Sharon

 

the person that wrote the names was the author of the tax list. it was written at the time the taxes were collected and if you look at them, you will see they appear to be in the same hand, and are used as designation so that the tax collector can identify them. The other tax lists have at times differentiated them on the list by location or age. '
I am not sure how you know that all of these pertain to the Hezekiah of two widows, but I do not see these records mentioned on his profile nor in the source materials presented. I am still waiting for my copy of the book not available online. I will copy them over if you wish and note the conflict that two wikitree profiles are claiming them as sources, which is what should be done.
Of the three sources you cite, I do not see any proof or reference to documentation to substantiate their statements so I lend them only the credence of hearsay, as with all of the oral histories.

Which leads me to your comment regarding oral histories, I do think the oral histories are equally valid and their conflicting statements need to be documented and held.

Putting the discrepancies on the profile under a research notes or conflict section gives researchers the ability to see what the conflicts are and what types of information they might want to look for to prove or disprove the associated theories.

I again state, it is not the duty of the profile manager, especially in profiles this old, to control what is put on the profiles or control contribution. As recommended by wikitree guidelines these profiles should in fact be open to a green level of privacy because they do not contain sensitive and private data that needs to be protected. It is a violation of the spirt of wikitree to, as you stated, have the profile manager control what goes on a profile.
Finally, there are some tools besides editing the profiles that we can use to identify problems which need more research. When it has been identified that there are two profiles which seem to be talking about the same person, who each profile manager believes have different parents, we can mark these as Unmerged Matches. This signals us that these could be duplicate individuals or an amalgamation of information that is causing confusion. It is helpful to be able to link the profiles and thereby establish an easy way to navigate back and forth between the two profiles (the link at the bottom of the page) to compare facts.  Your removal of unmerged matches without regard to fully resolving the conflicts between them hinders the ongoing research.
Also your retort that all of the records that are listed for the Hezekiah 1755- are for Hezekiah of two widows, I call your attention to the Deeds which show his wifes name to be Sarah. There are three such records, the marriage of the son Daniel and two of the property transfers. Also there is the Sarah whom remained after the disappearance/death of the Hezekaih 1755 and whose property was later inherited by their children.
Also regarding the items listed on Hezekiah 1755- , the entries after 1790 are highly suspicious as belonging to Hezkeiah of two widows for the additional reason that Hezekiah of two widows was already back in New Jersey by this point, if he was ever in Virginia at all. He is shown on the 1790 reconstructed census records of Hopewell, Hunterdon, NJ.

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