Ran across "dsp" for the first time in a profile. What?

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I just ran across the use of "dsp" in a profile; a Google search disclosed it as a genealogical abbreviation for the Latin phrase "descessit sine prole", or "died without issue" in English. OK,I get that, though I have not seen it used before. For you far more experienced folks, is this common enough for continued use? Or should we just use plain English? I'm inclined to the latter course; it would save all the other 100s - 1000s? - of WikiTree members the trouble of asking here, or googling, for edification.

Of course, in this case, from a WT style point of view, the abbreviation was inappropriately used. It used in profile for Benjamin Cook, in the "Died" box: Died 1717 in d.s.p., New Haven, CT.  Ignoring the use of CT. for the colony, it makes me think "d.s.p.? Is that an area of New Haven?"  Its use, or the use of the full Latin phrase or the English phrase, belongs only in the biography, not the Date boxes.

WikiTree profile: Benjamin Cook
in Genealogy Help by Jim Parish G2G6 Pilot (174k points)
retagged by Robin Lee
I personally find it outdated and would not suggest using it. Died without issue is clearer and more understandable to the beginner.
d.s.p. - decessit sine prole, latin for died without issue.

It is a very common genealogical term but it does not belong in the location field, but should be in the biography.  I agree with the other comments that it is better to write out the comment than to use an abbreviation just to avoid this confusion.

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Personally I think that information should be in the biography and in plain English. Not everyone is going to understand dsp as died without children. I don't think it is an abbreviation in widespread use.

Of course the correct thing to do would also be to tick the box for "no children" on the profile. Which technically will do the same thing.
by Lianne Trevarthen G2G6 Mach 4 (46.7k points)
selected by Jim Parish
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Died sans progeny. No kids.
by Eddie King G2G6 Pilot (699k points)

dsp and dssp were commonly used in the Middle Ages and early colonial times.  Latin was the "language of the cultured classes" and so abbreviations of all kinds were used.  "sans" being the Latin word for "without."  Of course, Norman French would have been fairly similar.

Peasants weren't concerned about keeping track of their children and grandchildren except orally as most couldn't read nor write.  People could make a good living as a scribe, writing letters for people who hadn't been taught how to write.

Church law and legal estates, etc, were all concerned about titled people with and without children.  Who would succeed to an elite position?  First surviving sons received most of the land from their parents.  Second and later sons went into the military or navy or the church.  They were the ones who could be adventurous.  Daughters were married off to improve one's political or economic well-being.

Peers who died without progeny had to will their land and possessions to others as they had no children of their own to whom they could will things.  Of course, lives were short,  Many men died in battle.  Many died of illnesses which seem to become more prominent as people were becoming more packed in villages and towns.  Many parents had many children as both infant and childhood deaths were all too common. 

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This comes back to my earlier comment today on the use of acronyms (PPP, PGM, LNAB etc.).

I know we need to use them to save time and typing (tho ink and paper are no longer an issue).

Can we set up a reference page with the common acronyms and add more as they come into common usage.  Really would help new users.
by Kristina Adams G2G6 Pilot (350k points)

Hi, Kristina!  You may know this by now (but I just came across this thread)--it's been done.

WikiTree Abbreviations & Acronyms

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I think dsp should be able to be used in the correct context. It is a very common abbreviation in genealogical works and part of the genealogical vocabulary. If a beginner needs to find out what it means the first time they encounter it then that is increasing their knowledge. After all we still use so many latin abbreviations e.g. (exempli gratia) a.m. (ante meridiem), AD (anno domini), nb (nota bene) et al. (et alia - and others). Of course as genealogists we are also reading extensively and possibly writing a scholarly work where we would frequently encounter ibid. (ibidem - in the same place), op. cit.(opere citato - in the work cited). If you think about it our language is full of latin abbreviations we use daily.
by Vivienne Caldwell G2G6 Mach 3 (38.5k points)
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Common variants

ob. s.p. - same thing

dspl - without legitimate issue

dspm - without male issue

dsps - without surviving issue

History of Parliament often uses s.p. to say there were no children of a marriage, although both partners might have had children by other marriages.
by Living Horace G2G6 Pilot (633k points)
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My answer is simple....the original profile was loaded via GEDCOM in 2010 with this error in the location field, and over the years, no one noticed it until now.  In today's Wikitree of checks and balances and error reports, I would hope that this kind of error would be caught quickly and fixed.

Thank you for your question!
by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (862k points)

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