I need to find out the names of my great grandmother's parents, name Kaufmann, in Hessen, Germany

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If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. My great grandmother's name is Betty Kaufmann. She was born 3/12/1879. She was known as Betty Fuld after she married. Emigrated to the U.S. from Shanghai, that's another long story, in the 1940s.
asked in Genealogy Help by Debbie Fein G2G Crew (680 points)
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What was her husband's name?
Moritz Fuld.

Is this her?

Bethi Fuld

 in the Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1965

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    Name: Bethi Fuld
    Gender: Female
    Nationality: Hebrew
    Arrival Age: 61
    Birth Date: 1879
    Birth Place: Niederrvdenbuch, Germany
    Last Residence: Netherlands
    Departure Place: Yokohama, Japan
    Arrival Date: Sep 1940
    Arrival Place: Seattle, Washington
    Ship Name: Hikawa Maru
    Line Number: 3

    Betty Fuld

     in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014

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      Name: Betty Fuld
      SSN: 062-42-9999
      Last Residence:

      10463 Bronx, Bronx, New York, USA

      BORN: 12 Mar 1879
      Died: Nov 1971
      State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1965-1966)
      Yes, this is her but it wouldn't give her parent's names, which is what I'm looking for.
      Perhaps, with the additional information that I added, someone can find the names of her parents?

      Betty
      Link: https://arcinsys.hessen.de/arcinsys/detailAction?detailid=v2148646

       

      But I don't see the actual birth certificate.
      Thanks for trying Betty and all.
      Actually, I called the cemetary office and her exact death date is 11/5/1971. Does this help in the research I'm trying to do. Also she spelled her name Betti.

      15 Answers

      +2 votes
      Did she marry in Shanghai,what was her husbands full name,often marriage

      records would give parents names,Betty may not be her given name,is that

      March 12 1879 or Dec 3 1879,Birth dates of people from Germany ,most

      times are Christenings

      dates.Do you have her death record,need all info,if Obituary.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      She married in Germany. Their residence was in Hessen.

      Betty is her given name.

      March 12, 1879.

      I don't know the exact date of her death but it iwas in November, 1971. She is buried in Paramus, New Jersey.
      Oh also, her husband's full name was Moritz Fuld.
      +2 votes
      were her and husband Jewish.??
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      Yes, they both were.
      +2 votes
      Do you want other info i find.Was her husband Dr.Moritz Ernst Israel Fuld.??
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      He was not a doctor but a farmer.

       

      I jsut found out that she was born in a town called Niederrodenbach
      +2 votes
      Debbie:Betty being her given name,In German could be Bettina,Elizabeth Etc.That Betty,Immigration probably changed too Betty.

      Nothing found,Being Jewish,All records were destroyed.during WW2 WW1.

      Plus Hitler destroyed everything Jewish,I will keep looking.There are some

      private tree"s i will contact.That show her.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      We've always known her as Betty. It is the name on her headstone. On one immigration paper, it says Bethi, but that may have been immigration. I found a birth record somewhere but not the actual birth certificate. I thought the Nazi's kept meticulous records.
      +2 votes
      Betty your great grndmother must hav had children,wht were ther names

      and dates of birth,When did Moritz Fuld die yeare date and where??
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      My grandmother's name was Irma Fuld Adler. I'm not sure of her birthday but she passed away in 1969.

      For my Uncle Gus Fuld, I don't have any dates. I am guessing 1970, because he too passed before my Oma.

      Uncle Siegfried Fuld died some years later. I don't have dates. I'm really sorry.

      I was only told that Opa died during World War I fighting for the Kaiser, lol.
      My grandmother's name was Irma Fuld Adler. I'm not sure of her birthday but she passed away in 1969. I just figured out that Grandma was born in December of 1907 or 1908.
      "Oma"  is that Betty ??
      Yes it is.
      +1 vote
      Do you know ,Erwin Joseph Adler born Oct 30 1929,Frankfurt,Germany

      His father was Gustav Adler,mother Irma Fuld.Erwin died Aug 19 2003

      Bozeman,Gallatin,Montana, ???His wife name Rena Cahn.

      Irma Adler ,born Dec 28 1904,died Aug 1969,last address,10040,New York,

      New York.Her Social Security # 072-18-9901,issued New York,before

      1951.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      Yes,  Erwin is my uncle,  Rena my aunt,  Irma,  my grandmother,  and  Gustav,  my grandfather.  My mother,  Ellen Adler Schwartz Pollack is their daughter.  We are aiming for my great grandmother,  her parents,  and any siblings.
      +1 vote
      Moritz Fuld,born April 21 1849,died Aug 21 1893,Frankfurt,Hessen Nassau

      Preusen,Germany.Father Simon Fuld,mother Jette Schlesinger.

       

      is this your Moreitz ???
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      Yes,  thank you so Much!
      I don't think this is Betty's husband, is it?
      No, the dates don't match.
      +1 vote
      Moritz Fuld,born May 3 1873,Franfurt (Main) Hessen-,Nassau,Pruesen,Germany

      Father Solomon Fuld,Mother Emma Abenheimer.

      This is closer too Betty Birth
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      I don't think this is the same Moritz. I think our Moritz was born 1849, and his mother Jette Schlesinger.
      +1 vote
      1940 Census, Irma Adler age 35,husband Gustav (Gus) age 36 ,and 2

      children, Irving and Ellen,also living with them,Saul Fuld and Sigmund

      Fuld.Home in 1940 New York,New York.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      My uncle's name was Erwin,  not Irving.  My great grandmother joined them sometime in 1940 or 1941. It is Betty Fuld's information I am after.
      +1 vote
      Saul Fuld and Sigmund Fuld  how are they related to Moritz.???

      They are in 1940 Census.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      Moritz was Sigmund Fuld and Gus Fuld's father.
      +1 vote
      Debbie: I know what you want,But children or relatives help me get there,

      I was contacted by a man in Holland,he found a silver bracelet in a old

      WW2 foxhole,the inscription on bracelet gave his name and place'

      in Canada.I put a add in A Military magazine,luckily his son and Grandson

      read the magazine,And it was returned too the family.This man Willum

      has a daughter who is a college professor,Her specialty,geneology research.If we need help on your Moritz.I will contact her.Interesting his

      village he lives in was occupied by Germans during WW2.He is not Jewish,so they did not bother his family.But does he have some stories,
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      Moritz Fuld was Jewish.  I have a little more information on Betty.  She had two nephews,  Carl and Willy on the Kaufmann side.  I don't have any dates on them,  but she must have had a brother or sister in order to have nephews.  Hope this helps.
      +1 vote
      Ida Fuld,Social Security # 063-16-9492,born Sept 4 1908,died jan 17 1998

      Last address 10040 New York ,New York.

      Her father Markus Stuckhardt,mother Adeheit Morgenroth.

      Ida maiden name Stuckhardt.They lived close too Betty Fuld how are

      they related.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      There should be a birth record in Stuttgart (civil records), as this is given as her place of birth. Her last residence in Frankfurt should also show up in their civil registers. If not destroyed by the war, these records should be kept by the local "Standesamt", it's worth trying to contact them. There surely is additional information.

      @ Wayne Morgan: For older records you often find baptism entries, However, this does not apply for civil records. 19th/20th century church records always show the date of birth as well.

      This might help when trying to trace Jewish people in Germany:
      http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Familiendatenbank_Juden_im_n%C3%B6rdlichen_Teil_des_ehemaligen_Deutschen_Reiches
      I'm  not sure.
      Where did you see Stuttgart? I'm not sure about the other relatives.  All I can do is add to family tree and see what happens
      Yvonne:  What does this mean ,  Kauffrau Rentnerin,

      On an Immigration record,Yokohama Japan,too State of Washington.

      it says Betti born in Niedderrodenbach Germany

      See if you can find,I have wore out my computer looking.

      And how are you related too the Fuld clan??
      Kauffrau means housewife.

      Oma had quite an interesting journey to the U.S. She was captured by the Russians and sent to Siberia. Then she wound up on the Shanghai express, from Yokohoma, Japan she took a ship to Washington state.
      I am related through my mother and grandmother Irma (Betty's daughter).

      Irma Fuld's dates are 1908-1969;

      Sigmund's dates are 1907-1987;

      I don't have dates for the other two siblings, Gustav Fuld and Alice Fuld Ackerman.
      Kauffrau does not mean housewife. This would be "Hausfrau ".
      Kauffrau would be saleswoman.
      Rentnerin means that she was retired.

      The spelling of the place is wrong. It is Niederrodenbach.

      I am not related in any way,  I just saw the thread and had a look...
      +1 vote
      Siegmund Fuld Oct 10 1907 died Feb 1987,do you want his info.???

      Died Bergen,New Jersey
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      Yes,  one of her sons.  Both died of heart disease.
      +1 vote
      Siegmund Fuld Social Security # 061-14-9593,last residence.07604

      Hasbrouck Heights,Bergen New Jersey,born Oct 10 1907,died Feb 1987

      Social Security # isued before 1951 in New York.

      New York Passenger Lists 1820-1938,Arrived Nov 4 1930,Ship/

      Nieuw Amsterdam,Hebrew, departed Boulogne,France,born in Heinchin,

      Germany.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)
      +1 vote
      Siegmund Fuld,married Claire Kirch,April 25 1942,Queens New York.
      answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (809k points)

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