Moser DNA links to The Mosers in Bern, Switzerland and to the Johann Martin clan

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With the DNA hits from 3 different migrant groups, I'm feeling pretty good about coming from the Anabaptist that came down to the Alsace, especially the Martins and Mosers as the family locations stayed close for generations. The DNA hits to Mosers from there confirm this. John George Moser (Alsace b.1824) my gg grandfather marriage record (1845) says he was French but family records mention havbing to flee to Germany. He likely emigrated with the Kruspes from Rotterdam right after marriage but is not listed in their family accounts. What's interesting is that I share DNA with the Johann Martin Moser group that settled the east coast to. My Mosers came to Ontario 100 years later so I am trying to track who stayed behind in 1750 whose descendants are mine.. I'm getting closer but DNA doesn't tell the whole story
WikiTree profile: Scott Moser
asked in Genealogy Help by Scott Moser G2G Rookie (210 points)
retagged by Keith Hathaway
Mosers married into my Zumkehr family. The Zumkehrs did come from Bern. They settled in Ohio.

Hi, Scott. I realize this question/topic is almost a year old, but it became active again, so I have a question. Just curious on the DNA front. I took a quick look at the Moser DNA Project and wasn't terribly thrilled with the way its organized, but that's just me. It's arranged by haplogroup with seemingly not a great deal of attention paid to the actual haplotypes involved. For example, there's a kit number 171505 that's included with the three that show Johann Martin Moser as the oldest known ancestor, but 171505 is a definite non-match with a genetic distance of 5 in the first 37-marker panel.

On John George Moser's profile, b. 1824, it notes that the previous two generations before him are not identified, but that his DNA has been connected to "the George Phillip Moser DNA line that birthed the original Moser lines settling the USA in the 1700's, 100 years before John George Moser (born in 1824) emigrated to Ontario in the 1850's. This George Phillip Moser line and other DNA links take the Mosers through Austria to Switzerland in the 1500-1600's near Bern."

I think it would be worthwhile--especially given that the organization of the Moser DNA Project doesn't make things very clear and that George Phillip isn't referenced anywhere in it as an earliest known ancestor--to clarify on John George's profile what the DNA evidence actually is. I looked at the yDNA project because, of course, autosomal DNA really is of no genealogical use back as far as George Phillip, who looks to have been born as early as 1683 though he doesn't seem to have a WikiTree profile yet.

(Edited to add: I wrote this comment, and only after--yeah; I'm paying attention this morning--saw that the initial question was posted June 2017. I hid my comment but, considering that the topic has had three new posts in the past day, decided to unhide it to possibly better help others establish the Moser DNA evidence involved.)

Thanks!

One of the strong DNA hits (5th-8th cousins is estimate by Ancestry) is from a family in Kansas. Ancestry said of Anna Marie Moser: 

  • Birth

    25 Mar 1819

    Biglen, Bern, Switzerland

  • Marriage

    26 Oct 1835 to Peter Gfeller

    Langnau, Bern, Switzerland

  • Death

    26 Oct 1912

    Geary, Kansas, USA

For purposes of your personal research, it's worth noting that autosomal DNA is pretty thin evidence after 4th cousins (3g-grandparents) and requires significant and detailed work involving multiple test takers in order to validate. AncestryDNA, on their own Help pages, writes:

"Percentages of DNA shared between relatives at the 4th cousin level and beyond may signify any number of distant relationships, but the genealogical relationships are unlikely to be closer than six degrees from the test taker."

Autosomal DNA simply recombines and dilutes too quickly at each birth event to be of any real help, genealogically, back very far in the tree. At the level of 5th cousins, there is only a 14.9% chance that any will share detectable DNA with any other (17:3 odds), and the mathematical average amount of shared DNA would be only 0.049%. By 7th cousins, the average expected amount of DNA shared is effectively zero.

That's why surname DNA studies use Y-chromosome results. It doesn't recombine at each birth event and can be valuable evidence much, much farther back than can autosomal DNA. If we assume that the test takers are 50 years old and each intervening generation represents 25 years, autosomal DNA sees it's maximum realistic reach--genealogically, not necessarily for broad population genetics--at about 275 years ago. The results from yDNA testing can extend into the Renaissance and even the Middle Ages.

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I descend from Mosers and Martins.  I'll be happy to share my Ancestry tree and DNA results.
answered by Allan Capps G2G1 (1.1k points)
Anything that will help me find out which Moser line(s) left Bern for Prussia and then stayed  there after the 1750's migration wave until my GG Grandfather John Georg Moser married Anna Marie Kruspe from Grossengottern, Sachsen and headed to Perth, Ontario in 1846 based in the fact of his wifes concurrent immigration and subsequent appearances in the Ontario census.
I'm also a descendant of Mosers and Martins and my DNA kit is in the mail, so....
Hope we get a match  :-)
We ARE related... on my paternal grandmothers side. Robert Boyd is our common ancestor. :-)
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I am descended from the Moser and Clapp (Klop) clans
answered by Norman Perry G2G2 (3k points)
As with Allan, anything will add to what I have. Thanks In Advance!
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I have not yet added all the Moser line I have researched starting with Marie married to Georges Schwoerer.  These were glass makers who worked in Alsace Lorraine.  and in parts of Germany..

If you send me a private email with your direct email I will share the centuries of data that I have.  

I have some in WikiTree but not all yet.  

By the way,  I descend from Marie https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moser-2061 and Georges https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Schwoerer-8. 

These are other Moser in the glass line that we believe are related but not sure how yet.  

  1. Catherine Schweighoffer (UNKNOWN) Schweighoffer ancestors (11 Nov 1804 - 1862)
  1. Pierre Schweighoffer ancestors descendants (04 Mar 1771 - 02 Jan 1830) m. Catherine Thiebauld ( - 13 Feb 1816).
  1. Ursule Schweickhof ancestors (11 Jul 1726)
  2. Nicolas Schweighoffer ancestors descendants (01 Jul 1730 - 27 Jun 1782) m. Catherine Schwanger (29 Mar 1741 - 13 Mar 1771) on 16 Oct 1764.
  1. Christian Moser ancestors (bef 1682 - aft 1710) m. Anne Koch (abt 1683 - aft 1726) on 17 Oct 1707.
  2. Elisabeth Marie (Moser) Schweickhof ancestors descendants (29 Jul 1700 - 25 Dec 1778) m. Georges Schweickhof (abt 1685 - 07 Apr 1758) on 16 Jan 1719.
  1. Michel Moser ancestors descendants (1633 - 18 Feb 1729) m. Elizabeth Andres (12 Dec 1654 - bef 1754) abt 1677. m. Anne-Marie Marie Cresel (1647 - 03 May 1729) on 21 Jun 1697.
answered by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (459k points)
Thank you Laura!

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As part of the research in the Binkley Name Study, we find one of the Binkley's married a Johann Leonhard Moser (aka Leonard Moser), born in 1710.

According to the Biography on his profile:

Leonhard immigrated to Pennsylvania aboard the ship Adventure in 1732. [3] Also in the Adventure were his full brother Tobias, full sisters Magdalena and Christina, half-brothers Georg Philipp and Johann Michael, various spouses, and many younger Moser dependents. His full brother Johann Adam and half-brother Johann Martin had previously immigrated in 1728 aboard the ship James Goodwill. Johann Leonhard’s half-brothers were all sons of Adam Moser by his first wife Maria Strobel (1652-1696).

Note the name of Johann Martin Moser that I bolded above, his half-brother who emigrated earlier.

It also just happens that Johann Leonhard Moser's ancestral line also traces back to Switzerland, as you can see on his profile.

Johann Leonhard Moser eventually made his way down to North Carolina, and I'm descended from him.

I would hazard a guess that this is the same Johann Martin Moser that you are referring to. If so, he's not the only Moser immigrant, or progenitor in America.

Take a look at this Moser line as well and see if it helps.

answered by Eric Weddington G2G6 Pilot (157k points)
George Moser came over in 1847 to Ontario. Martin immigrated much later

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