Does anyone have information on farmer David Mann from Aberdeen?

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David Mann was a farmer who lived in Aberdeen in Scotland.  He was my great, great grandfather.  My uncle once told me he was an elder in the local church and he had a number of daughters (including my great grandmother) and a son.  Other than this I have not been able to find any information.  Can anyone help?
WikiTree profile: David Mann
in Genealogy Help by Vicki Tolmay G2G2 (2.2k points)
edited by Vicki Tolmay
What timeframe do you you have for him?
His granddaughter (my grandmother, Elise Gladys Wagner) was born on 31 August 1905 on his farm Raeden Farm, Stockeli(?), Aberdeen according to her birth certificate - her birth was registered by her mother (Jessie Wagner) on 20th September 1905 at Aberdeen with James Weston signing as the Registrar

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Need your grandmother full name,and date of birth.
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (914k points)
Elise Gladys Wagner born 31 August 1905
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1901 Census -Name:David MannAge:52Estimated birth year:abt 1849Relationship:HeadSpouse's 

name :Jane Mann

Where born:Laurencekirk, KincardineshireRegistration Number:168/2Registration district:St MacharCivil Parish:Aberdeen RosemountCounty:AberdeenshireAddress:Home Farm Westburn RoadOccupation:FarmerED:55Household schedule number:139LINE:21Roll:CSSCT1901_60Household Members:

Name Age
David Mann 52
Jane Mann 49
Catherine Mann 22
Maria Mann 21
Margaret Mann 19
Clementina Mann 18
Maud Mann 14
James Mann 49
 
by Maria Maxwell G2G6 Pilot (160k points)
Thank you so much, this looks right according to the stories I have heard, but there are more sisters than I was aware of :).
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1891 Census -Name:David MannAge:42Estimated birth year:abt 1849Relationship:HeadSpouse's name :Jane MannGender:MaleWhere born:Laurencekirk, KincardineshireRegistration Number:209Registration district:Kincardine ONeillCivil Parish:Kincardine ONeillCounty:AberdeenshireAddress:MeadowOccupation:FarmerED:8Household schedule number:16LINE:1Roll:CSSCT1891_65Household Members:

Name Age
David Mann 42
Jane Mann 39
Alexander Mann 16
Jessie Mann 14
Catherine Mann 12
Maria Mann 11
Margaret J Mann 9
Clementina Mann 8
Maud Murry Mann 4
Annie Erron Mann 8 Mo
 
by Maria Maxwell G2G6 Pilot (160k points)
Thank you so much :)

How does one confirm that this is the correct information?  It looks correct according to the stories I have heard, but I do not have any concrete facts to corroborate this information.  Can I fill it in on wikitree simply indicating that it is "uncertain".  Please advise.....
Hi Vicki,  If your GGM is the 14 year old Jessie in the 1891 census, her dob would be around 1877.   You should be able to get a copy of her birth cert online from https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/  that will give you her parents names and place of birth.   It's a different farm you mention above so before you spend any money on Scotlands People let's do another root around on Ancestry and Family Search !!   I'll get back to you ASAP

One family tree on ancestry,.com shows Jessie's parents as David Mann and Jane Mathieson.  It shows David as the son of David Mann and Jane Murray.

It references the 1861 Scotland census:

Name David Mann
Age 46
Estimated Birth Year abt 1815
Relationship Head
Spouse's Name Jane Mann
Gender Male
Where born St Cyrus, Kincardineshire
Registration Number 256
Registration district Durris
Civil parish Durris
County Kincardineshire
Address Upper Balfour
Occupation Farmer Of 164 Acres
ED 1
Household schedule number 24
Line 13
Roll CSSCT1861_34
Household Members
Name Age
David Mann 46
Jane Mann 39
John Mann 18
Margt Mann 14
Catherine Mann 12
David Mann 12
William Mann 10
James Mann 9
Alex Mann 6
Maria Mann 4
George Mann 2
Robert S Mann 1
Mary A Daniel 17

Also the 1871 Scotland census:

Name David Mann
Age 55
Estimated Birth Year abt 1816
Relationship Head
Spouse's Name Jane Murray Mann
Gender Male
Where born St Cyrus, Kincardineshire
Registration Number 256
Registration district Durris
Civil parish Durris
County Kincardineshire
Address Upper Balfour
Occupation Farmer
ED 1
Household schedule number 49
Line 9
Roll CSSCT1871_45
Household Members
Name Age
David Mann 55
Jane Murray Mann 48
John Mann 28
Margaret Mann 24
Catherine Mann 22
David Mann  
James Mann 19
Alexander Mann 16
Maria Mann 14
George Mann 12
Robert Mann 10
Charles Mann 9
Jane Mann 7
Jessie Mann 4
John Murray 1 Mo
John Scott 17
Me again,  I've been trying to find Jessie (Mann) Wagners marriage record on Scotlands People.  Can't locate it.  What was her husband's first/given name.  Her marriage record will give her parents names too.
If all else fails - read the instructions !!   I see from Jessie/Jeanettes profile that she was married in South Africa !!  In view of the differing names my advice is to try to find her birth cert.
Hi Maria

Jessie married Ernst Gustav Wagner on 1 April 1905 in Johannesburg. He was born in Germany (and I am struggling to get information on him too), their gravestone in Brixton Cemetry, Johannesburg gives his birth and death date but only her death date and that's also where I got "Jeanette" from - I have no idea if that was a name she was given by her parents or one she preferred to use herself - she was a very interesting and empowered woman for the times she lived in. She bought her spinster sisters a cottage in Bielside in Aberdeen where they lived - they called it "the Koppie/Kopje" (meaning the hill) as she called her cottage in Johannesburg "Braes of Berea" so that they would think of each other every day.   Her sister Catherine also came to Johannesburg where she married Edgar Farrow, they had a son who unfortunately was killed in WW2

Most times one has a problem with too little information - in this case its confusing for me as there seem to have been a number of David Mann's  in the area of interest - a problem of lots of information and identifying which is the correct set....
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