Seeking birth record and marriage record for George Hatherly, B. 1809 in Devonshire

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I'm not that adept yet at navigating British records, so hoping for some help. I've got quite a bit of information that should hopefully be helpful.

Name: George Hatherly

Parents: William and Margaret (this is noted on his death record - Margaret's maiden name is not listed)

Born: September 1809 in Devonshire (again, this is according to his death record)

Married: Eliza Cowell/Colwell (Eliza was born in 1812 and their first child was born in 1833, so likely married in 1832-ish)

- Found in 1841 England Census with wife and 3 children in a workhouse in Cornwall, England

- Immigrated sometime in the early 1850s to Ontario, Canada

- Immigrated again by 1870 to Lapeer County, Michigan, United States

- Died in 1894 in Lapeer County, Michigan

Note:

I have a lot of records for him listed in the Sources section of his profile, but the earliest record I have is the 1841 England Census.

I really need his marriage record and/or birth record to find out his mother's maiden name and his wife's parent's names.

 

Sources:

• "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQB7-Y32
 : 30 October 2015), George Atherly in household of Francis Gruzelier, St Mary Magdalene, Cornwall, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census,"
database and images, findmypast (
http://www.findmypast.com
 : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
• "United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHH1-YSG
 : 17 October 2014), George Hatherly, Michigan, United States; citing p. 27, family 222, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives
and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 552,183.
• "United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWSL-ZMN
 : 10 August 2016), George Hatherley, Marathon, Lapeer, Michigan, United States; citing enumeration district ED 176, sheet 348C, NARA microfilm publication
T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 0589; FHL microfilm 1,254,589.
• "Michigan State Census, 1894," database, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKC-7SC
 : 15 November 2014), George Hatherly in household of Irvin Beardsley, Mayfield, Lapeer, Michigan, United States; citing p. 158, State Archives, Lansing;
FHL microfilm 915,320.
• "Michigan Deaths, 1867-1897," database with images, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3KQ-3JX
 : 12 December 2014), George Hatherly, 29 Aug 1894; citing p 123 rn 6223, Mayfield, Lapeer, Michigan, Department of Vital Records, Lansing; FHL microfilm
2,363,832.
• "Michigan Obituaries, 1820-2006," database with images, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL33-ND6D
 : accessed 16 June 2017), George Hatherly, 29 Aug 1894; citing , various offices and archives, Michigan.
• "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV2W-PXRQ
 : 13 December 2015), George Hatherly, 1894; Burial, Lapeer, Lapeer, Michigan, United States of America, Stiles Cemetery; citing record ID 60189797, Find
a Grave,
http://www.findagrave.com.
WikiTree profile: George Hatherly
in Genealogy Help by Kristen Louca G2G6 Mach 2 (29.0k points)
retagged by Keith Hathaway

As well as FamilySearch, good Cornish record locations include:

Cornwall Online Parish Clerk Site - lots of searchable info (BMD, Banns, etc)  You can't link to each record as a source in case the record number in the db changes.

Cornwall Census Project - Every census transcribed from 1841 - 1901.  Not searchable but this info has now been passed over to FreeCen and it is searchable there. (See below)

Good general UK sites.  BMD certificates available from Sept 1837:

FreeCen - Transcribing British census info from 1841 and making it available for free.  Searchable and already includes all of Cornwall from above Cornwall Census Project.

FreeReg - Transcribing Parish Records for free, work in progress but making big strides.

FreeBMD - Transcribing English/Welsh BMD info.  Been going a long time.  This gives you the reference required for ordering BMD certificates but it's also useful for finding potential marriage/birth/death info.  After 1912 Mother's maiden name is listed on birth info. These are not the certificates themselves, but it is a very useful resource.

General Records Office - This is where you would order the certificates identified by FreeBMD, but they also have two searchable databases, Birth and Death.  The birth records list the mother's maiden name in most cases from 1837, which is invaluable.  You must create a login to access.

For example... here's your Edwin Hatherly showing the quarter he was registered in (Jan-Feb-MARCH), the year, the location and mother's maiden name.  Volume and Page are the references to order the certificate. :

HATHERLY, EDWIN       COLWELL   
GRO Reference: 1838  M Quarter in CAMELFORD UNION  Volume 09  Page 48

HATHERLY, MARY  ANN     COLWILL   
GRO Reference: 1840  D Quarter in THE CAMELFORD UNION  Volume 09  Page 53

4 Answers

+7 votes
First name(s) GEORGE
Last name HATHERLY
Birth year -
Marriage year 1833
Marriage date 15 Aug 1833
Parish Warbstow
Place WARBSTOW
Groom's first name(s) George
Groom's last name HATHERLY
Bride's first name(s) Eliza
Bride's last name COLWILL
County Cornwall
Country England

Transcribed by the Cornwall Family History Society

by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

Margaret Edmonds

 in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 No Image
Text-only collection

    Name: Margaret Edmonds
    Gender: Female
    Marriage Date: 15 Jul 1810
    Marriage Place: Shebbear,Devon,England
    Spouse: John Hatherly
    FHL Film Number: 916933

    Margaret

     in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

    England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 No Image
    Text-only collection

      Name: Margaret
      Gender: Female
      Spouse: John Hatherley
      Child: Dorothy Hatherley
      ! Super fast.

      Does the fact the parent names are not listed in the transcription mean they are not in the original document?

      Margaret Hatherly

       in the Michigan, Death Records, 1867-1950

      View Michigan, Death Records, 1867-1950

        •  
        Name: Margaret Hatherly
        Gender: Female
        Spouse: Wm Hatherly
        Child: George Hatherly
        I really don't know the answer to that question.

        You could try finding the document to see. It doesn't show any detail on ancestry.com
        Also have to wonder how to properly put the marriage record found as a source?

        Just put Cornwall Family History Society?
        That sounds right.

        These were the marriagewitnesses.  Could be church Wardens, or they could be related to either the bride or groom.  Just putting this out there in case it helps with your research at some point.

        Witness William CROCKER
        Witness William BURGOYNE
        I'm pretty sure you are correct in that, if the parents' names are not in the transcription, then they weren't there in the original.  A lot of the earlier marriage records just had the date and 'John Doe married Mary Smith'.

        This is also a very useful site:
        http://www.opc-cornwall.org/
        I'd put the source as "Cornwall Marriages Transcription, Cornwall Family History Society". That way it tells you where the FHS got it (I looked him up on Findmypast to find out where they got it.)
        +4 votes

        Closest I could find, sorry...because the father is John, not William

         

        First name(s) George
        Last name Hatherley
        Birth year -
        Baptism year 1810
        Baptism date 31 Dec 1810
        Denomination Anglican
        Baptism place Shebbear
        Father's first name(s) John
        Mother's first name(s) Margaret
        Mother's last name -
        County Devon
        Country England
        Archive South West Heritage Trust
        Archive reference 2939A/PR/1/2
        Record set Devon Baptisms
        by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
        Thanks so much!

        At the very least I have a location in Devon for future research.

        Shame the name has to be so common - I swear I have so many Johns and Williams in my ancestors. Haha.

        You rock - thanks again!
        +5 votes

        Taken from the original register and transcribed by Devon Family History Society:

        First name(s) John
        Last name Hatherly
        Marriage year 1810
        Marriage date 15 Jul 1810
        Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
        Spouse's last name Edmonds
        Denomination Anglican
        Parish Shebbear
        Place Shebbear
        County Devon
        Archive South West Heritage Trust
        Record set Devon Marriages
        by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
        Nice work on all these answers Ros.  Outstanding.
        +4 votes
        It might be worth pointing out that Shebbear was particularly Wesleyan Methodist and the home of the Bible Christians.
        by anonymous G2G6 Pilot (256k points)
        I was  just going to add this above as  I noticed that in the 1851 Canadian Census that George and his family were Bible Christians.

        see http://www.shebbearvillage.co.uk/biblechristians.pdf

        There were a  very large number of Colwells/Colwills in the baptism registers of the  Bible Christians on the Cornwall OPC  (but no Hatherleys)

        The Shebbear circuit included Kilkhampton and Holsworthy http://www.mybiblechristians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bible-Christian-Chapels-in-Cornwall-1901.pdf

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