:) So there is an agreement now right? Thank you Carrie and Bea!
First: Use us!!!!!!!!!!! We have a great team with a lot of experience!!!!!!! USE U S !! :) We re happy to help!
Carrie I know it wasn t about an e or a t. But about policy. I do not mind about how names are spelled as they are spelled variously. Referents spelled as they thought it was right. After a few years a new referent came in and spelled things differently. But WIKITREE askes a L N A B!!! And I will keep to that forever untill they ask a LN @ Singing or @marriage or @death. If I do not have a LNAB I will use the next name used in time. That can be a signature................ BUT IF I HAVE A NAME AT THE BIRTH I NEED TO USE THAT., even if I don t think it is right spelled and there are many reasons why we do that this way after longer discussion then here now.
I did mind you doubt the patronym as you never saw it before. I do see patronyms every day I ve never seen before. I do see first names of Dutch I ve never seen. So that means I will patronyms I ve never seen before.
I am sorry I just caused this discussion and on the other half I am not sorry. I wasn t even aware there was a problem. I hope you take that as it is. We need to agree and cooperate on how to handle again. Leaders worked on agreements for years to make it work. I think many have roots at the Netherlands. And for those that have roots here, leaders made rules and agreements besides WikiTree or within WikiTree policy. Many people worked hard, spending hours, to get things straight on profiles that were having info that was not fitting. I think that was what this is about.
I just hope........ that those born at the Netherlands, where ever they went will have their LN at Birth. :) Those born elsewhere are out of my expertise. I will always follow the rules at that.
I think you ve seen me working carefully at the Van Der Werken.......... Trying to follow the NNS way I do not know. But best way to learn is to just step in and fall into traps or on your nose as we Dutch say and tiptoeing slowly Finding one source. And one source is never enough. But one is better than nothing........ Knowing a Van Der Werken was spelled here at the Netherland as "van der Werken" but I will not change that! I know that it worked that way.But unless I have prove they were born here I will. 3:)
I am so happy you and Bea solved/worked out things!! Profiles should have the LNAB. Anyway. :D I am froozen to that.
I know...... I have profiles and the LNAB do not compare to their families, signatures, and would love to change the name as signed at marriage documents. But bless WikiTree we have a box for Current Last Name and Other Last Names.
Again patronyms are not always sourceable. Yes sometimes we see them at marriage docs. But as long if we have no last names............ and again we had not for a long time. Children named after grandparents as it was costume, just keeping them apart by their patronymic. (Grandparent having four children, first born of their children would have first name of paternal grandfather, next child paternal grandmother, third maternal grandfather, fourth maternal grandmother. Ending up whit at least 4 children with same name after grandfather and 4 with same name as grandmorther at paternal side) They just needed them to keep them apart not knowing what a last name was so they were used to keep them apart and tg we have them as we need them to be used to work back in time.
I saw your post of ...... hmm can t find it back so fast ........ that fine female genealogist helping online. She is doing great things. Read some before in time at here site. Most important thing I recall was people adding "Holland" to place of birth ending up in Noord-Brabant or so, as there is a village named Holland,:D Our Country is named The Netherlands. But in former times a part of the Netherlands WAS called Holland (the West Part).
But saying most of the Dutch had a Last Name is overdone. I think it is the other way around before 1811. We bless Napoleon for forcing our ancestries to take a last name. As said before....... yes some families had a last name. But in most cases only the Royals, the Noble and Notorious had one. Most of them not having roots at the Netherlands......... Forced to flee for religion reasons (what s new?)....... And went everywhere at Europe but also many to Amsterdam.
Okay ....... back to rules now.......... I hardly do anything on PPP-ed profiles of the NNS. But if I think - let s just imagen -- a last name is wrong- (I would never change it!!) I have to start a G2G discussion right? That is very WikiTree-erish.
Carrie I see many NNS profiles coming by with no good sources. Use the Dutch Roots to get that solved. I know it s hard sometimes. Just please, think we have more expertise, we do. Here. Not at the USA. YOU DO! Use us! :) We re just happy to put in our best knowledge.
Thank you again, and bowing to the hard days.
Phillip you can close this on my behalf.............. mabye you should wait a few days for those that needs a little time. I needed a few hours......... :)