Which William and Mary are Eliza Colwill's parents? (B. 1812, Cornwall)

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I decided to take advantage of the free access to Find my Past and try to delve a bit deeper into my Cornwall/Devon branch of ancestors.

I found what I believe is the birth record for Eliza (Colwell) Hatherly (her birth is January 4th, 1812 according to her gravestone - this Eliza is noted as being baptized in January of 1812 and has birth year noted as 1812.) Her marriage record also notes her last name as "Colwill", so I am fairly certain this is the correct Eliza.
table with 2 columns and 19 rows
First name(s)
ELIZA
Last name
COLWILL
Gender
Female
Birth year
1812
Baptism year
1812
Baptism date
26 Jan 1812
Parish
North Petherwin
Father's first name(s)
William
Father's last name
Colwill
Mother's first name(s)
Mary
Mother's last name
-
Relationship
Dau
Place
NORTH PETHERWIN
County
Cornwall
Country
England
Record set
Cornwall Baptisms
Category
Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory
Births & baptisms
Collections from
England, United Kingdom
table end

Cornwall Family History Society

The problem I've run into is that I've found 2 marriage records for a William Colwill + Mary in North Petherwin, Cornwall.

I am not sure how to determine which one may be the correct one for the William/Mary couple that produced Eliza above. They are both in the exact same parish and both women are 'Mary'.

Marriage Record #1:
table with 2 columns and 18 rows
First name(s)
WILLIAM
Last name
COLWILL
Birth year
-
Marriage year
1784
Marriage date
21 Dec 1784
Parish
North Petherwin
Place
NORTH PETHERWIN
Groom's first name(s)
William
Groom's last name
COLWILL
Bride's first name(s)
Mary
Bride's last name
MARTYN
Bride's last name (bishop's transcript)
MARTIN
County
Cornwall
Country
England
Record set
Cornwall Marriages
Category
Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory
Marriages & divorces
Collections from
England, United Kingdom
table end

Cornwall Family History Society

Marriage Record #2:
table with 2 columns and 17 rows
First name(s)
WILLIAM
Last name
COLWILL
Birth year
-
Marriage year
1790
Marriage date
5 Jan 1790
Parish
North Petherwin
Place
NORTH PETHERWIN
Groom's first name(s)
William
Groom's last name
COLWILL
Bride's first name(s)
Mary
Bride's last name
TURNER
County
Cornwall
Country
England
Record set
Cornwall Marriages
Category
Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory
Marriages & divorces
Collections from
England, United Kingdom
table end

Cornwall Family History Society

Now I found what I believe is the correct 'William Colwill's death record. I only am assuming this because it takes place in "Warbstow", which is the exact place where Eliza gets married in 1833. So it stands to reason that is where they were located and this is Eliza's father.

First name(s)
WILLIAM
Last name
COLWILL
Age
67
Birth year
1760
Death year
1827
Burial year
1827
Burial date
14 Oct 1827
Burial location
WARBSTOW
Residence
Cross
County
Cornwall
Country
England
Entry number
78
Archival reference
P246 1/6
Record set
Cornwall Burials
Category
Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory
Deaths & burials
Collections from
England, United Kingdom
table end

The crux of the matter:
- Which 'Mary' is the correct mother?
- I did notice a 'Mary Colwill' that died in 1785 ... did William perhaps re-marry after his first 'Mary' wife dying and just happen to marry another woman named 'Mary'?

Thoughts/suggestions/help appreciated.
WikiTree profile: Eliza Hatherly
in Genealogy Help by Kristen Louca G2G6 Mach 2 (26.6k points)
@Kristen Louca - not sure if you found what you were looking for since this question is from 2017 but alas! none of the families that you found are the correct ones :(

Eliza was the d/o William Tink Colwill / Colwell and Mary Spettigue who married in North Petherwin in 1811 and are both still alive as of 1851 Census :)

I'll contact you personally via your Wiki page!
Dallas

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Hello Kristen

So, hunting through all the headings you helpfully provided :o) you have
Marriage #1:
William COLWILL mar Mary MARTIN 21 Dec 1784 North Petherwin; and
Marriage #2:
William COLWILL mar Mary TURNER 5 Jan 1790 North Petherwin

I don't know if you have already visited this page:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/NorthPetherwin

but listed thereon is the Online Parish Clerk for North Petherwin, Karen Start (and her email address).  Might be worth contacting her to see if there was any extra information in those entries, such as parents, witnesses etc.

(and, btw, it is perfectly possible for William to have married one Mary after another; I even have families in my own pedigree where the wife was Mary, the mother-in-law was Mary, and one of the children was Mary... *grin*)
by Ros Haywood G2G6 Pilot (768k points)
selected by Kristen Louca
That is a good idea - thank you!

I had that rush of excited discovery at seeing the first marriage record ... then extreme disappointment when seeing teh other. Especially when I don't really have a clue on how to confirm/deny which couple is the correct one! Haha. I suppose if it is both the same William Colwill that will make it easy - the Mary he married second would have to be Eliza's mother.

Edit :

AP/C/4549  Will of William Colwill, yeoman, of North Petherwin 1810

Also X355/329 Copy inventory of goods, of William Colwill, deceased, North Petherwin , July 1810

search form Cornwall Archives

This presumably is the one buried in 1810(see below). He cannot be the father of your Eliza .It could name his children and perhaps  other relatives and thus  help exclude  one or other William

 

I had a go at putting the births, marriages and burials of the two (three?) families together, sometimes you can manage to find a death which sometimes  helps but unfortunately doesn't seem to this time. For what it's worth, heres the list. unless noted otherwise, they are baptisms.  I've only put the year in most cases but the date is findable on the database Cornwall OPC  I've included both Colwill and Colwell

 1784 North Petherwin William COLWILL Mary MARTYN  marriage Dec

 1790 North Petherwin Thomasin COLWELL William Mary

1790 North Petherwin William COLWILL Mary TURNER  marriage 5th Jan

1791 North Petherwin Grace COLWELL John Grace

1792 North Petherwin Mary Ann COLWELL William Mary

1793 North Petherwin Mary COLWELL  Burial  7th January

1794 North Petherwin William COLWELL Mary PEARCE  Marriage 25 Feb

1795 North Petherwin Elizabeth COLWILL William Mary  1st January.

1795 North Petherwin Mary COLWILL Burial 22nd July

1796 North Petherwin William COLWILL William Mary

1798 North Petherwin Jenny COLWILL William Mary

1800 North Petherwin John COLWILL William Mary

1801 North Petherwin Thomasin COLWILL  burial 11 March

 1802 North Petherwin Elizth. COLWILL William Mary

1804 North Petherwin Thomas COLWELL William Mary

1804 North Petherwin William COLWILL  Burial 19th July

1805 North Petherwin William COLWILL  Burial 20 June

1807 North Petherwin Grace COLWILL William Mary

1808 North Petherwin Eliza COLWILL Willm. Mary

1810 North Petherwin William COLWILL buried  June

1810 North Petherwin Elizabeth COLWILL William Mary Dec

1811 North Petherwin William Tink COLWELL Mary SPETTIGUE  marriage 3rd April

1812 North Petherwin Eliza COLWILL William Mary

 

+1 vote
There son Edwin Hatherly born or baptised Jan 8 1838,Camelford,

Cornwall.

England Civil Registration Births 1837-1915.His death record in LaPeer,

shows born Jan 1838.
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (843k points)

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