What exactly does a genetic distance of 0 (zero) mean on mtDNA test?

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I'm confused! A FamilyTree DNA  test I manage is showing a genetic distance of zero for a full sequence mtDNA test. I've tried to read on the internet precisely what that means but have no clear understanding. Does it mean that through this males mothers side way back he just by happenstance has the same DNA or does it mean it's a sister, etc? Unable to locate this other individual on any other genealogical sites and no I haven't contacted that other person till I understand.

 To make it all the more interesting, when I reviewed the 4 generations she'd populated on FamilyTree DNA I happen to notice a geographical distance of about 40 miles in several ancestors, including her mother. I've discovered a couple of the ancestors of this DNA match on Wikitree but not the zero distance match. As I can't list living people on g2g if needed I will private message with genealogists.  

Hmmmm.... wondering what the facts are here. Anyone with knowledgeable understanding of how mtDNA distances this works would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
in The Tree House by Cynthia Rushing G2G6 Mach 3 (36.4k points)
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My female line is made up of Welsh speakers from Newborough on the island of Anglesey in north Wales. I have my paper trail back to 1803 — not easy with all the Joneses, Williamses, Hugheses and Parrys. Newborough was the "new borough" formed when Edward I of England expelled the Welsh from Llanmaes so he could build a castle in the 1200s. Given that this is a female line (and so less likely to travel for adventure, etc), I think it is fair to assume that my line has been on the island for a long time.

I have six MtDNA matches at a GD of zero. Some are from England while others are in the Low Countries, France and Germany. Presuming we are related (and there's not some biological quirk) then, given the geographical spread, the MRCA must be 1,500 to 2,000 years ago if not earlier.

Would this sound about right?

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Hi, Cynthia.

If you're familiar with matching from autosomal DNA tests, it takes a bit of a shift of thinking when looking at mtDNA. Mitochondrial DNA and yDNA are actually easier to evaluate--all things considered--because dealing with matches is more binary, more yes or no.

I think the kicker is that term "genetic distance." With an autosomal DNA test, we're used to seeing reports that provide us an estimate of how closely we're related, in terms of cousinship and degree of separation.

Genetic distance with mtDNA and yDNA doesn't work that way, and it can be misleading. A GD of 1, for example, does not mean a 2nd cousin rather than a 1st cousin. What it refers to is a difference in one marker or test value...a copying error, a mutation or polymorphism. A GD of 2 means that two marker values differ between the two kits. It has a bearing on trying to estimate the possible timeframe to a MRCA, but at much longer periods, and in a wider range of time; it's in terms of multiple generations to MRCA, not in terms of degrees of cousinship.

For mtDNA--a tiny genome in terms of number of base pairs when compared to any of the 23 human chromosomes, even the small Y-chromosome--there are three "regions" for testing Hyper-variable Regions 1 and 2 (HVR1/2) and the Coding Region...everything else, what you get with a full sequence test. Matches in HVR1 and HVR2 are either yes or no; you either match completely or you don't. Results in these areas are compared to one or both of two statistical base models to help determine your primary haplogroup.

For the Coding Region, Family Tree DNA will display up to--but unlike yDNA, no more than--three differences. To get a little geeky, there are two markers at locations where insertions/deletions are known to happen at high frequencies (positions 309 and 315) which are completely ignored for matching. So if you ever compare detailed results with another family member's kit and count a different GD than FTDNA reports, this is likely why.

Exact matches with a full mitochondrial sequence are not uncommon. Again, it's very small in terms of total number of base pairs, and it changes infrequently. The go-by estimates that Family Tree DNA uses for a full mitochondrial sequence exact match are:

  • 50% confidence level that the MRCA is within 5 generations (call it 125 to 150 years)
  • 95% confidence level that the MRCA is within 22 generations (call it 550 to 650 years)

So the net message is the FMS exact match you have on that kit is solid proof that the two people share a common ancestor in the maternal line, but it is not proof that they share a recent ancestor until the corresponding, corroborating paper trail of traditional genealogy can be documented. That common ancestor might be as close as one or two generations, or as distant as the 15th century. But it's an important, new piece of evidence!

by Edison Williams G2G6 Pilot (439k points)
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Edison that was quite a detailed answer and much appreciated. It's such a shame DNA knowledge is so complicated and likely keeps some people away from testing. Your answer is very helpful and now I know what I need to do next and that's to see if he shares any ancestors.  Her tree only has four generations but once I've got his side better researched I'll contact that individual.  Fingers crossed.  Thanks!
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Hi Cynthia,

I far from the expert on this subject but to what I understand is that a Genetic Distance of 0 means that they are very tightly related.

For example

A 37/37 match between two men who share a common surname (or variant) means they share a common male ancestor. Their relatedness is extremely close with the common ancestor predicted, 50% of the time, in 5 generations or less and over a 95% probability within 8 generations. Very few people achieve this close level of a match.

Taken from : Legal Genealogist: Understanding the Y Match

by Anthony McCabe G2G6 Pilot (384k points)
Steven thank you for a response and also the link. I'm gonna keep it written down.
The mutation rates for mtDNA and Y-DNA are not comparable. An mtDNA match with Genetic Distance zero can be a long way back and may not be within the timeframe covered by paper trail as you can see when you look at the percentages which Edison posted above. Since you have maternal lines in the same geographical area you may be lucky enough to make the conncection, but it may also be beyond what you can trace. If you have not already done so I would suggest you join the project for your haplogroup on FTDNA. The project admin should be able to give you more specific information about the timeframe for when your specific subclade originated which will give you a better idea of the chances of being able to make sense of your matches.
Lynda thanks for that extra information, it really helps. I've placed some of my DNA takers in a FtDNA project but I don't recall if I added him, however I'll verify today.

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