Does anybody know what the custom was in Ireland mid 19th century, how long after birth were baptisms held?

+10 votes
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Hi, out there,

I'm new and lost in the labyrinth.  Am working on my family tree which includes Ireland, adoptions, unusual family structure.

Maybe I've found my great great Irish grandmother, but how to match birth date with baptism date? Were children ever baptised a year or more after birth?

Once I figure out how this works here, hope to be helpful for others.

Connie
in Genealogy Help by C Ryder G2G6 Mach 8 (88.5k points)
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+15 votes
Unfortunately, I think this is a case of "how long is a piece of string?"  Children could be baptised on the same day, the following Sunday, the following month, the following year, when they were small, when they were teenagers...the list is endless.  Sometimes the new vicar would sweep into the house and demand "who here hasn't been baptised?" and then there would be half a dozen children of varying ages all baptised on the same day.  Maybe your ancestors stuck to a routine i.e. had the baby baptised the following month ALWAYS.  You have to 'learn' your ancestors and see if you can spot any patterns.
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.9m points)
Ros ,Thanks for your answer. So indeed it will be difficult to identify the right person, as I have only a birth date to go on.
+9 votes
I have seen Births and Baptism many different dates ,Perhaps certain

denominations had rules.
by Wayne Morgan G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
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Irish Catholics are baptized really soon after birth.  I've found with my family it is usually within a week after the birth - this is based on finding the birth record and the baptismal record.

However, I'm sure that all kinds of things would factor in and could make it longer but I would think no more than a few months.  

https://irishorigins.wordpress.com/2015/02/22/irish-customs-and-culture-baptism/
by Susan McNamee G2G6 Mach 7 (76.9k points)
Thank you
+7 votes
Here's a pretty good article from the Arlington Catholic Herald

http://www.catholicherald.com/Faith/Bishop_Loverde/Bishop_s_25th_Anniversary/How_Do_We_Address_Church_Officials_/

Formally as in addressing a letter Rev. Jones but in speaking to or of "Father" Jones.
by Anne B G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
+8 votes
Do not forget that Baptism records may contain the actual birthdate which may be different from the Civil Registered Birthdate.   There was a period when one could be fined for not registering a birth withing a few months of the birth, three I believe.  So many would lie about the birthdate to avoid the fine.
by Michael Stills G2G6 Pilot (527k points)
Another way to say this is that Baptism dates with Birthdates may be different from Civil Birthdates for the same person.  Keep that in mind when looking for baptims records when using civil birthdates.  They may not be the same.
Thank you
+7 votes
Constance,

I think you've receive a number of good responses but I'll add one more thought that given me from a heritage resource from County Clare which given the high infant mortality rates at the time, many Catholic baptisms took place relatively soon after birth - often within a week. Of course, a number of factors apply as noted by multiple posts - proximity and availability of the local parish, streghth of faith within the family, etc. but for my many ancestors from mid 19th century where I have only baptism dates, I'm assuming that baptisms likely fell within a week after the actual birthdate.
by Timothy Helbling G2G1 (1.0k points)
Thank you, Tim.  I knew Catholics don't usually delay baptism, but I do need historical perspective on this one.
+7 votes
Baptisms in Ireland were usually the same day as the birth or the very next day. Once in a while if the infant was unusually healthy and the church was a few miles away, they family might wait until the following Sunday. But infant mortality was high, especially among the poor Catholics who were afraid an unbaptized infant would go to "limbo" or hell or purgatory. So the sooner the babies were baptized the more relaxed the parents would be.

Women were confined to bed for about ten days after their giving birth, a practice we know today is not healthy. So usually the father and the godparents would take the baby to church and the mother would not be able to attend her own child's baptism.

Catholics were about 85 percent of the population. The other 15 percent were their Protestant land owners, who lived in better housing, closer to town and with more resources. Infant mortality does not seem to be as high for this group, as they had a better diet, and better chances of medical care, not that medical care was very good back then. But religion was important, so getting the baby baptized in the Anglican church assured that they child could live a higher class life. Baptisms were probably, but not necessarily performed the first week of life, or at least the first month. Again, it may vary by the health of the child.

The Great Famine was mostly a problem for the Catholics, as the Protestant landowners would keep all the food they needed from the plantations they owned. So mother's and children usually had enough to eat, which would be essential for avoiding the malnutrition and disease that was rampant among the lower classes.
by Living Troy G2G6 Pilot (175k points)

I think you forget that there were many, many poor Protestant families, not every Protestant was a landowner, quite the opposite.  Just have a look at the Valuation records, out of the hundreds of my great great uncles and aunts, my great great grandfather and associaited familes all rented their small farms, and much of the land was owned by Englishmen.

Thank you Sharon for this wonderful historical information.  I never knew women were confined to bed after childbirth. This has helped me determine that using baptism date to try to identify my Irish-born ancestors is only going to give doubtful answers.  Thanks again.
Thanks, Tony.  I guess the majority of people were more or less poor at the time.
+5 votes
I have three examples in my hand that I was looking at last night

Irish Catholics from Dunkineely

b. 16 Sep 1865 bpt 17 Sep 1865

b. 18 July 1868 bpt 19 July 1868

b. 29 June 1873 bpt 6 Jun 1873 (obviously someone goofed)
by Anne B G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Thank you, Ann. This makes total sense.  My 20th century Irish Catholic family always baptized soon after birth. If ever it was impossible to baptize a baby soon after birty, we were told we could do a quick baptism at home without the priest, just to be safe.

So in the end I still cannot identify with certainty my Irish born ancestors on the basis of baptism date.  It was suggested I try to get more information about them from American sources (like parents names).
+3 votes
I dont have any Irish records but I do have one ancestor from Scotland who was not baptised until she was 14 years old. And since the date of her baptism was entered into the Mormon records as her DOB, it took me many many years to find the original record and finally discover that she was actually 14 years old when she was baptised.
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Seeing this was already bumped, I'll jump in as well.   I have one christening that took place not long before my guy married.  So he was in his 20s at the time.  (I'm guessing the marriage could not take place in the church unless he was christened.)
+4 votes
Hi Connie,

I checked two reference books, one by Claire Santry, the other by Kathy Chater.

One pesky problem area is British penal laws for Irish Catholics. Official registration of births deaths, and Catholic marriages  until 1864, though some church records date back to the 1600's.

Something to note is the custom of a bride marrying in the church she was baptized at even if she lives elsewhere and attends a different parish as an adult.

In my research I've noticed a pattern of approximately two weeks, but here's my hypothesis: Unless the family lived in town or a city, the baptism often had to wait until weather permitted travel, even if it was only a few miles.

The baptisms often took place in the priest's home or that of the family.
by Judith Roney G2G Crew (690 points)

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