Seeking Parents of Fredrick William Moore b. Manchester, England 1840 d. 1910 Vermont

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My 2x great-grandfather Frederick William Moore was born in Manchester, England 25 May 1840.

He enlisted in the British Army at or near Handover (?) and came to Canada during a raid 19 October 1864.

He married Mary Jane Tye in 1865.

They had 6 children, the first born in Canada.and the rest in St. Albans, Vermont where they lived the remainder of their lives.

He is quite well documented after arriving in Vermont but any information from 1864 or earlier in Canada or England would be much appreciated.  Especially seeking his parents and ancestry.

Thank you for your help!

 

WikiTree profile: Fredrick Moore
in Genealogy Help by Keith Hathaway G2G6 Pilot (605k points)
edited by Keith Hathaway
Keith,

What province were they in,in Canada and which county or city if you have them?
Hi Frank,

The only indicator I have is that his wife was born in Hemmingford Quebec.  That also makes reasonable sense as Vermont borders Quebec and many of my relatives crossed back and forth.

I'll keep looking sir...
I just found that his first child was born 9 March 1866 at Sandwich Ontario

William Moore

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name William Moore
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Registration District Manchester
Residence Note Jordan Street
Gender Male
Age 11
Occupation Errand Boy
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated) 1840
Birthplace Manchester, Lancashire
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 2227 / 0
Affiliate Record Type Household
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England and Wales Census, 1851

Household ID 3679157
Line Number 14

Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYG-5PQ : 28 July 2017), William Moore, Manchester, Lancashire, England; citing Manchester, Lancashire, England, p. , from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

I have been puzzling this profile for sometime today, Keith.

Not made any progress, except I keep coming back to William Moore that is to be found in Portsea, Hampshire, not far from Andover. This William was an engine fitter in 1861, and I have not been able to trace him post 1861. Your 2GG seems to be known as Fred in US Census!

I will turn the question around for a new slant. How do you know he was born Manchester on 25 May 1840?

Ron

That is what his daughter (my ggm) wrote down in the family "bible" (not a bible but a notebook of family names and dates).

Here is an image of that page; half way down it says about Fred.  The next two pages cover more about his children and grand children:

500px-Moore-18331.png

 

Thank you Ron!

 

 

4 Answers

+3 votes

Here's a possibility:

William Moore

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name William Moore
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Widnes, Lancashire, England
Registration District Prescot
Residence Note Moors Lane
Gender Male
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1840
Birthplace Widnes, Lancashire
Page Number 48
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 2194 / 92
Affiliate Record Type Household

Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

Thomas Moore Head M 44 Halton, Cheshire
Elisebeth Moore Wife F 50 Bold, Lancashire
Elisebeth Moore Daughter F 13 Widnes, Lancashire
William Moore Son M 11 Widnes, Lancashire
John Moore Son M 9 Widnes, Lancashire
John Ashton Lodger M 45 Widnes, Lancashire

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England and Wales Census, 1851

Household ID 302826
Line Number 4
Digital Folder Number 101795984
Image Number 00184

Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYX-P3H : 29 July 2017), William Moore in household of Thomas Moore, Widnes, Lancashire, England; citing Widnes, Lancashire, England, p. 48, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

 

by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)
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Looking at Fredrick's profile, there is a 'public comment' in 2015 that gives details of the marriage, and that he was born in Quebec, rather than Manchester.  Or have you already discounted this data?

If he was English by birth, he would have enlisted in Andover rather than Handover.
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
Hi Ros, the info saying he is not the other person referred to in the comments is relatively solid, however some of the spelling is iffy.  In our family "bible" it says Handover but the "H" has an "A" over or under it... both exist so it kind of reads Handover or Aandover.  Sorry.  I'm quite certain he was born in England.
Must be me.  I have never heard of a place called Handover, but Andover (in Hampshire) has always been linked with the military, and Army HQ is there? It was just a thought if you were looking for military records.
What I said Ros, was that my source obviously was not sure of the place name or spelling and that the place you said is probably right.
+1 vote

How about this one? 1861 census (Portsea Island holds most of the city of Portsmouth (Hampshire) - large naval port:

Name: William Moore
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1840
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Moore
Mother's name: Isabella Moore
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 633
Folio: 103
Page Number: 17
Name Age
George Moore 48
Isabella Moore 46
William Moore 21
Mary Moore 19
Ann Moore 17
 
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
I have been puzzling this profile for sometime today, Keith.

Not made any progress, except I keep coming back to William Moore that is to be found in Portsea, Hampshire, not far from Andover. This William was an engine fitter in 1861, and I have not been able to trace him post 1861. Your 2GG seems to be known as Fred in US Census!

I will turn the question around for a new slant. How do you know he was born Manchester on 25 May 1840?

Ron
That looks really tempting Ros... I'll try those names to dig for more.  Thank you!
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No birth fitting him was registered in England at that date.
by anonymous G2G6 Pilot (256k points)

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