Seeking Parents of Fredrick William Moore b. Manchester, England 1840 d. 1910 Vermont

Question

My 2x great-grandfather Frederick William Moore was born in Manchester, England 25 May 1840.

He enlisted in the British Army at or near Handover (?) and came to Canada during a raid 19 October 1864.

He married Mary Jane Tye in 1865.

They had 6 children, the first born in Canada.and the rest in St. Albans, Vermont where they lived the remainder of their lives.

He is quite well documented after arriving in Vermont but any information from 1864 or earlier in Canada or England would be much appreciated.  Especially seeking his parents and ancestry.

Thank you for your help!

 

Comments

Keith,

What province were they in,in Canada and which county or city if you have them?

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Hi Frank,

The only indicator I have is that his wife was born in Hemmingford Quebec.  That also makes reasonable sense as Vermont borders Quebec and many of my relatives crossed back and forth.

I'll keep looking sir...

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I just found that his first child was born 9 March 1866 at Sandwich Ontario

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William Moore

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name	William Moore
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1851
Event Place	Manchester, Lancashire, England
Registration District	Manchester
Residence Note	Jordan Street
Gender	Male
Age	11
Occupation	Errand Boy
Relationship to Head of Household	Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated)	1840
Birthplace	Manchester, Lancashire
Registration Number	HO107
Piece/Folio	2227 / 0
Affiliate Record Type	Household

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England and Wales Census, 1851

Household ID	3679157
Line Number	14

Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYG-5PQ : 28 July 2017), William Moore, Manchester, Lancashire, England; citing Manchester, Lancashire, England, p. , from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

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I have been puzzling this profile for sometime today, Keith.

Not made any progress, except I keep coming back to William Moore that is to be found in Portsea, Hampshire, not far from Andover. This William was an engine fitter in 1861, and I have not been able to trace him post 1861. Your 2GG seems to be known as Fred in US Census!

I will turn the question around for a new slant. How do you know he was born Manchester on 25 May 1840?

Ron

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That is what his daughter (my ggm) wrote down in the family "bible" (not a bible but a notebook of family names and dates).

Here is an image of that page; half way down it says about Fred.  The next two pages cover more about his children and grand children:

 

Thank you Ron!

 

 

Answer 1

Here's a possibility:

William Moore

England and Wales Census, 1851

Name	William Moore
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1851
Event Place	Widnes, Lancashire, England
Registration District	Prescot
Residence Note	Moors Lane
Gender	Male
Age	11
Relationship to Head of Household	Son
Birth Year (Estimated)	1840
Birthplace	Widnes, Lancashire
Page Number	48
Registration Number	HO107
Piece/Folio	2194 / 92
Affiliate Record Type	Household

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Thomas Moore	Head	M	44	Halton, Cheshire
Elisebeth Moore	Wife	F	50	Bold, Lancashire
Elisebeth Moore	Daughter	F	13	Widnes, Lancashire
William Moore	Son	M	11	Widnes, Lancashire
John Moore	Son	M	9	Widnes, Lancashire
John Ashton	Lodger	M	45	Widnes, Lancashire

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England and Wales Census, 1851

Household ID	302826
Line Number	4
Digital Folder Number	101795984
Image Number	00184

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"England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYX-P3H : 29 July 2017), William Moore in household of Thomas Moore, Widnes, Lancashire, England; citing Widnes, Lancashire, England, p. 48, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

 

Answer 2

Looking at Fredrick's profile, there is a 'public comment' in 2015 that gives details of the marriage, and that he was born in Quebec, rather than Manchester.  Or have you already discounted this data?

If he was English by birth, he would have enlisted in Andover rather than Handover.

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Hi Ros, the info saying he is not the other person referred to in the comments is relatively solid, however some of the spelling is iffy.  In our family "bible" it says Handover but the "H" has an "A" over or under it... both exist so it kind of reads Handover or Aandover.  Sorry.  I'm quite certain he was born in England.

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Must be me.  I have never heard of a place called Handover, but Andover (in Hampshire) has always been linked with the military, and Army HQ is there? It was just a thought if you were looking for military records.

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What I said Ros, was that my source obviously was not sure of the place name or spelling and that the place you said is probably right.

Answer 3

How about this one? 1861 census (Portsea Island holds most of the city of Portsmouth (Hampshire) - large naval port:

Name:	William Moore
Age:	21
Estimated birth year:	1840
Relation:	Son
Father's name:	George Moore
Mother's name:	Isabella Moore
Gender:	Male
Where born:	Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:	Portsea
County/Island:	Hampshire
Country:	England
Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage:	View image
Registration district:	Portsea Island
Sub-registration district:	Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel:	12
Neighbors:	View others on page
Household schedule number:	102
Piece:	633
Folio:	103
Page Number:	17

Name	Age
George Moore	48
Isabella Moore	46
William Moore	21
Mary Moore	19
Ann Moore	17

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I have been puzzling this profile for sometime today, Keith.

Not made any progress, except I keep coming back to William Moore that is to be found in Portsea, Hampshire, not far from Andover. This William was an engine fitter in 1861, and I have not been able to trace him post 1861. Your 2GG seems to be known as Fred in US Census!

I will turn the question around for a new slant. How do you know he was born Manchester on 25 May 1840?

Ron

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That looks really tempting Ros... I'll try those names to dig for more.  Thank you!

Answer 4

No birth fitting him was registered in England at that date.