New Netherland settler disconnection: Bogardus-5 (Everardus Bogardus) [closed]

Question

It looks like the parents of Everardus Bogardus need to be removed. These parents have been disproved.

At this point, I would like to refer to the three-part article by P. H. Bogaard that was published in de Halve Maen, the esteemed quarterly journal of The Holland Society of New York, Vol. 46, July and October 1971, January 1972, titled "Dutch Ancestry of Domine Everardus Bogardus". While this article is well written and seemingly based on sound research, it has quite recently been proven to be in error. A new biography on Evert Willemsz., later known as Evert Bogaert and Everardus Bogardus, principally centering upon a miraculous spiritual experience he had at about age 15, now quite authoritatively identifies his known family relationships. The book, published in The Netherlands in 1995 in the Dutch language, is titled Wegen Evert Willemsz. Een Hollands weeskind op zoek naar zichelf (1607-1647) [translated as The Paths of Evert Willemsz. A Dutch Orphan in Search of Himself (1607-1647)]. It is the culmination of extensive research in The Netherlands and the United States by Willem Th. M. Frijhoff, Professor of Cultural History, Erasmus University Rotterdam, The Netherlands. Prof. Frijhoff has also advised that because of the interest expressed by several hundred members of our Descendants Association he intends to have the book published in English. Additional information about Domine Bogardus, including a brief summary of Prof. Frijhoff's newfound information about the parents and siblings, is included in "The Domine Everardus Bogardus Story" by permission of Prof. Frijhoff.

Most Frequent Errors and Incorrect or Unproven Lines of Descent from Anneke Jans http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ghosthunter/Anneke/page6.htm

Rev. Everardus Bogardus' father is thought to have been a Willem Cornelis [Bogart] who was a cabinetmaker in the town of Woerden who died about 1609. Everardus' mother is thought to have been...Niesgen Pietersdr. After Willem Bogart's death, his widow is thought to have married a man with the surname of Muysevoet. Niesgen Pietersdr. Bogart Muysevoet and her second husband had two sons. By her first marriage to Willem Bogart, Niesgen also had two sons -- Pieter and Evert (the future Domine). There was an epidemic of the plague in the area around Woerden in 1617 and 1618. Both Niesgen and her second husband may have died in the plague. At any rate, by 1623 all four boys had been placed in the Woerden orphanage.

The last part is from "Dear "cousin"...

You can see the above in the English translation of Frijhoff's latest book here: https://books.google.com/books?id=JdRWdnCfTBwC&pg=PA595&lpg=PA595&dq=willem+cornelis+and+niesgen+pietersdr.&source=bl&ots=GvNhpwIVzJ&sig=f93xIsaJNF4K4dtxuhz8hJiBZyk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi00ebWuY7WAhUCeSYKHWtGAOQQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=willem%20cornelis%20and%20niesgen%20pietersdr.&f=false

Unless there are any objections, I'll remove his parents in 30 days.

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But I am utterly confused. "A new biography on Evert Willemsz., later known as Evert Bogaert and Everardus Bogardus, ... now quite authoritatively identifies his known family relationships."

But then, "Rev. Everardus Bogardus' father is thought to have been a Willem Cornelis [Bogart] who was a cabinetmaker in the town of Woerden who died about 1609. Everardus' mother is thought to have been...Niesgen Pietersdr."

Are those two names the correct profiles? And how does it go from "authoritatively" to "thought to have been"?

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I didn't post those in chronological order. The timeline goes:

1. 1970s de Halve Maen article
2. 1995 Frijhoff's "Wegen van Evert Willemsz: Een Hollands weeskind op zoek naar zichzelf, 1607-1647"
3. 1996 Dear "cousin"
4. 2007 Frijhoff's "Fulfilling God's Mission"

Dear Cousin charts and that website have been updated during all of this.

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Carrie is quoting excerpts from some long verbose discussions of the errors in this family's genealogy.

The parents currently connected to Everardus Bogardus are Willem Jansz Bogaert and Susanna Adriaensdr van Ruyteveld. They are not his parents.

I can only see one page from the publication by Frijhoff that is the main source of this finding, but from I can see It appears to me that analysis has authoritatively shown that the currently connected parents are not his parents, but the identification of the actual parents is somewhat tentative.

Thanks to Carrie for finding this information!

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Thanks Ellen. It probably would have been helpful if I had included the further explanation that has been added to Everardus' profile:

In the early 1970s, P. H. Bogaard wrote a piece about Everardus called "Dutch Ancestry of Domine Everardus Bogardus" for the Holland Society of New York's de Halve Maen. Apparently Bogaard gave Everardus' parents as Willem Bogaert and Susanna van Ruyteveld. That information has been determined to be false. The current authority on Everardus' ancestry is Willem Th. M. Frijhoff, Professor of Cultural History, Erasmus University of Rotterdam. Frijhoff identifies Everardus' known family relationships in his book Wegen Van Evert Willemsz.: Een Hollands Weeskind Op Zoek Naar Zichzelf, 1607-1647 (The Paths of Evert Willemsz. A Dutch Orphan in Search of Himself (1607-1647). ^[3] Frijhoff's work has been incorporated into William Bogardus' Dear "cousin...".

 

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So based on this material, it appears that his new parents would be:

Niesgen Pietersdr and Willem Cornelisz?

Parents of 3 children:

Cornelis Willemz Bogaert

Pieter Bogaert (1603 to before 1636)

Evert Willemsz Bogaert (bef 1603 - ?)

If I'm reading this correctly.

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Google translated from a Dutch language article by Willem Frijhoff, page 106:

Evert's father, allegedly named Willem Cornelisz Bogaert, must have died shortly after his son's birth. His mother then married with a further unknown Muysevoet. The Muysevoets were refugees who had fled from the Flemish town Eeklo because of their faith, and that is probably the same for the Bogaerts. Migrants usually married one another in the first generation. Evert's eldest brother Cornelis married a migrant-daughter from Flanders called Paludanus (Van den Broecke). When Everts mother and stepfather Muysevoet died, perhaps at the 1617 plague, Evert Willemsz was accommodated with his older brother Pieter Bogaert and two younger half-brother Muysevoet in the orphanage at Woerden; of sisters we do not hear. Cornelis already earned his own bread; He eventually settled as a grocery store in Leiden and one of his sons was, in turn, preaching in Lutjebroek. Father and step father were probably craftsmen, but Evert, Cornelis and their half-brother Pieter Muysevoet, schoolmaster in Linschoten, climbed themselves a step higher on the social ladder.

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That's my understanding too, Scott, where Evert is Everardus.

Ah nice, Jan. that's the article that was previously linked from the profile but the link had since broken. Any idea where that was published originally?

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Citation (Apa) of the article:

Frijhoff, W. T. M. (2011). Woerdens wonderkind. Evert Willemsz Bogaert alias dominee Bogardus (1607-1647). Een vergeten held? Heemtijdinghen, 46(4), 105-119.

Translation of title: Woerden's miracle child. Evert Willemsz Bogaert alias dominee Bogardus (1607-1647). A forgotten hero?

Heemtijdinghen is a quarterly periodical of Stichts-Hollandse
HISTORISCHE VERENIGING (SHHV), a historical society for the area around Woerden. This is their index record of the article.

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Thank you muchly, Jan! I replaced the Dear Cousin quote with the above and moved the other quote to a research free space. The section was getting large and there was more information about research instead of Everardus. Also Dear Cousin is hard to get, so that information should be protected.

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Here at the Library of the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam it says we should be able to view/open the book (PDF) I tried it but it doesn't seem to work, it starts downloading but stops, maybe it's my internet, so perhaps someone else is able to view/open it ?

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When I try it I get the first 100 pages of 917 (94MB of 426.6MB). I guess the download is limited by the Vrije Universiteit to 100 pages...

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Thanks for trying and the help Jan ! :) Could you open or view any of it ?

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Yes Bea, I can open and view those 100 pages pdf.

Answer 1

Before disconnecting him from these parents perhaps we first need to add or create profiles for the new parents if these are not present yet ? 

Because he had siblings, and I don't know if there are profiles for all them already, but we of course also need to make sure they all stay connected. 

Children from Willem Cornelisz (Bogaert) and Niesgen Pietersdr according the info were: 

1. Cornelis Willemsz Bogaert 

2. Pieter (Willemsz Bogaert)

3. Evert Willemsz Bogaert

from mother Niesgen Pieterdr 's second marriage with Huybert or Huybrecht Reiniersz Muysevoet ?:

4.Pieter Hubrechts (Muysevoet)

5. Susanna Hubrechts (Muysevoet) 

These halfbrother and sister, Pieter and Susanna Hubrechts (Muysevoet)  are assumed to be the witnesses mentioned at this baptism of Joannes Bogaert in Leiden in 1642 ? And Pieter Hubrechts also is assumed to be the witness at this 1639 baptism also in Leiden

And there was one Unknown brother of Evert born after 1607 (not sure if he was from the first or second marriage of his mother ?)

See: Fulfilling God's Mission: The Two Worlds of Dominie Everardus Bogardus, 1607 ...By Willem Frijhoff

Woerden Orphanage article with some info  een deel van het verhaal (a part of the story) bron source:   Frijhoff, W., 2010: Woerdens wonderkind: Evert Willemsz Bogaert alias dominee Bogardus (1607-1647), Een vergeten held?

Article Evert Willemsz een Hollands weeskind  N.a.v. "Wegen van Evert Willemsz. Een Hollands weeskind op zoek naar zichzelf 1607-1647", door Willem Frijhoff; SUN (serie Memoria), Nijmegen, 1995; ƒ 89,50.

Stadsmuseum Woerden tentoonstelling (article) 1633: Woerdens weeskind in New York

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Here's a marriage in Leiden of a Pieter Pietersz Muysevoet on 20 April 1668, witness for the groom is his uncle Cornelis Bogaert, so this Pieter probably was a son of Pieter Hubrechts Muysevoet (so this Pieter was a (half)cousin of Evert and the uncle Cornelis Bogaert was Everts brother ?

The Palladanus family (see the baptim from 1642) is also interesting, Grietgen Palladanus married Everts brother Cornelis in Leiden and they had several children. I have added a profile for her now and will add their children as well, will look for sources and create profiles for the correct parents as well if you like, or do we have or is someone working on adding profiles for them already ?

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From my perspective as a member of the New Netherland Settlers project, I think it's most important to disconnect this man from the extensive FALSE lineage that he is currently connected to. Everardus Bogardus was (as was his wife, too) a prominent figure in the history of New Netherland. For the overall integrity of the information we publish, we should not continue giving him a false ancestry.

As for his actual parents, Frijhoff seems tentative about their identification.

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Yes that's important for all of us I think, so I'm not saying or meaning we shouldn't correct things, but before disconnecting just one of them from these wrong parents, we need to make sure, the brothers Evert, Pieter and Cornelis stay connected to each other, so what I mean is are we going to add the supposed parents Willem Cornelis Bogaert or just a Willem Bogaert perhaps and mother Niesgen Pietersdr + the Muysevoet husband and brothers, to keep all brothers connected and complete the family as it was according Willem Frijhoff or do you think it's better to just add perhaps a Willem Bogaert  to keep the brothers connected ? 

The book was published in 1995 so perhaps we can find some additional sources now that show how they all were connected more clear, in the Leiden records a lot of witnesses are mentioned, so that helps a lot. And here's a lot about where the names of their parents are based on (naming tradition and records) see pg 65

According Willem Frijhoff ( the info from ) Woerdens wonderkind: Evert Willemsz Bogaert alias dominee Bogardus (published Nijmegen 1995) 

Evert's father, allegedly named Willem Cornelisz Bogaert, died  shortly after his son's birth. His mother then remarried  a further unknown Muysevoet. The Muysevoets were refugees who had fled from the Flemish Eeklo because of their faith, and that is probably the same for the Bogaerts.... Evert's eldest brother Cornelis married a migrant-daughter from Flanders called Paludanus (Van den Broecke). And after the death of their parents Pieter Evert and their halfbrothers went to the orphanage, the eldest brother Cornelis already earned his own money...

*(It very likely was the same for the Palladanus or van den Broeke family, appearantly a van den Broucke family (Pal(l)adanus many different spellings) was also present in Norwich during this period.