Question of the Week: Do you have German ancestors? [Closed]

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Oktoberfest is right around the corner. Tell us about your German roots!

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Germany itself didn't become a nation until the 1870's, but the German peoples have been around for ages.  The three principal countries in which German is spoken today are Switzerland, Austria, and Germany. Dutch is an offshoot of German (Platt-Deutsch) whereas the highland German is Hoch Deutsch (spoken in Austria, Switzerland, and most of Germany).  There are people with German roots living elsewhere in Europe, in South America, and in Africa among other places.  My German ancestors went to Canada and the US; I've ancestors who fought for England during the American Revolution and ancestors from the Rheinland, etc.  German roots is more about cultural roots than coming from the country of Germany or its predecessors.
Sorry, but Dutch is not an offshoot of German.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages
Yes, see detailed answer below.
If you study your linguistics, one understands that both English and Dutch are offshoots of German.  See the following for more details--https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/16sjj1/how_and_why_did_dutch_seperate_from_low_german/

The German language in the 13th century had many regional dialects grouped into two main categories--Low German (north) and High German (south).  The various German peoples didn't necessarily understand each other.  Westphalia (now The Netherlands) was part of the Holy Roman Empire in the 13th Century and spun off quite early.

English is even an older offshoot of German.  Grimm's Laws tell linguists how far back two languages separated from each other by the sound changes made in the language.  Both English and Dutch are still classified as Germanic or Teutonic Languages.

I know we all like to think our languages were never part of other languages, but language history speaks otherwise.
Let us just agree that the common language was Old Franconian and that Dutch and German developed out of it. And let's also accept that along the Dutch-German border there is a continuum of present day dialects from Dutch to German.
There are 5 Romance languages said to have come from Latin derevations:

English, French, German, Russian, Spanish.
Though English has some Latin and Greek roots, it's not a Romance language.  Russian is Slavic.

The major Romance languages are Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Rominian.  There are some smaler ones as well.

It was the Normans who brought the Latin roots into English.  In the early days of Norman England, the lower class people used the Angle-
Saxon words for the animals (pig, cow, etc.) and the cooked foods used the Norman French words (porc, beouf, etc.)  All in all, English is a Germanic language that took in a lot of Latin root words.  Syntax, etc., is closer to, but not identical to the German forms than to the Latin ones.

Take some linguistic classes and learn how to appreciate not only the history of your own language, but the history of other ones as well.

The non-Indo-European languages in Europe are Finnish, Hungarian, and Turkish, which are all related to one another.

The Celtic, the Romance, the Teutonic, the Hellenic, and the Slavic languages are the main lndo-European languages in Europe and they are related to the Indo-Aryan languages of Iran, Pakistan, and India.

Arabic and Hebrew are also non-Indo-European languages.  They are both Semetic languages.  Though the first alphabetic writing system came from a Semeitiv language; the Semetic languages do not write out all the "vowel sounds," whereas the Indo-European ones do.

Proud to be from Twente where we still speak and understand ''Twents,'' living very near to the German border, it's amazing to see how many people from this area including our German neighbours still can speak or at least understand eachother thanks to our dialect. Twents is very similar to Low Saxon (Middle Low German ) which was a very prominent language, this language, among other things, served as the official language of the Hanseatic League, so just like English is a World language nowadays, back then Low Saxon was a language people could speak and understand all over the world.  Unfortunately the Twents dialect is disappearing more and more, and Dutch children, unless they have parents that still speak it at home, at school have to speak and learn the standard Dutch (no dialects) only Fries (still stubborn or perhaps strongheaded is a better word (?) and fighting for their rights and preservation of their language and traditions ;) ) still is an official language in the Netherlands, most dialects are seen as 'farmerish' or 'countryfied'.

Thank you so much for sharing.

I forgot to list paternal family names from Hesse-Darmstedt, and Lieppe-Detmold, Prussia.  Meier/Meyer, Hansmeier/meyer, Hue, Schmidt, Duvandach, Burkesikus

Names from maternal lines in Netherlands:  Reininga/Reinniga, Velthuis, Visscher, Rosenboom,  Bolwijn

Locations in the Netherlands:  Onstwedde, Winschoten, Beerta, Groningen, Stadskanaal, Nieuwolda
Thank you for the clarification. I am glad that there are others out there who know the history of the English language.
Thank you David Hughey for the fascinating lessons on linguistics!

Sharon Troy Centanne
I sure do - on both of my parents' sides (although I have more paternal information.) On my paternal side: Wetzold, Stahl, Wicke, Scherer, Schuster, Ferkel + more. I DNA connected with Stahl (which was great because I wasn't 100% sure of the line!) On my maternal side I just have Fleischhauer thus far.
Westphalia is part of Germany, not of the Netherlands.
English is considered a Germanic, not a Romance language.  It borrowed a lot from French, but the grammar and most basic words are derived from German (Saxon) origins.
The relationship of Hungarian and Finnish with the Turkish languages has been the subject of long and lengthy debates.  Most experts now believe that Hungarian borrowed a lot from Turkish languages while the Hungarians lived in what are now the Russian steppes, but is not of the Turkic languages.

    The three above are not the only non-Indo-European languages in Europe. Estonian is related to Finnish and Hungarian, as are Karelian and the Sami languages of northern Scandinavia.  Basque, found in northern Spain and southern France, has yet to be linked to any other known language. There are numerous Turkic languages with fewer speakers found in the Balkan lands and Ukraine.
The reason I started with genealogy was to find out the story of one of my purported ancestors, Francis Geywitz, who came in the 18th century from "the Palatinate" and was allegedly scalped by Indians at the time of the Revolution in upstate New York. So the story goes.  Some 50 years later, I have scarcely made any progress on Francis at all, though his descendants are well-documented.  As best as I can determine, he might actually have come from what is now eastern Baden-Württemberg, but i cannot find any documentation to prove this.

   The Howks came in the middle of the 19th century and settled in Kentucky. I have no idea of where they came from, except "Prussia", which covered a huge part of Germany at that time.

     The strangest part of all of this is that I now live in Germany and speak a fair German.  I'd like to say that this has helped me greatly in my researches, but it has only shown me that a lot of leads are negative dead ends.

     I will say that Germany has an extremely long and complicated political history, which will confound people who are used to stable, established borders and clear hierarchies in the political structure of polities. Others have mentioned that "Germany" only recently developed a political identity as such.  Before then, it was a mish-mash of small or medium-sized states which evolved out of the slow decay of the Holy Roman Empire, which included subjects of many languages as well as political sub-units.

     Researchers will want to consult parish records of churches, who kept most of the records which would be relevant to genealogy.  If you research people before 1870, when you find out what town they came from, I suggest you go to wikipedia, read the history of the town, and decide which political unit it would have belonged to at that time.

      My impression is that, for anyone not associated with nobility, our American genealogy is well-advanced as compared with the Germans'.  Only recently have "ordinary" Germans developed an interest in this form of scholarship, not having a migration story, such as we have, in which to be interested.  But local officials and church personnel are very co-operative when approached regarding genealogical research.

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     By the way, not only is Oktoberfest here, but also the German national day, the Day of National Unity, will be here on October 3, celebrating the day when the treaty was signed that re-united East and West Germany (or at least started it, according to numerous dissatisfied Germans on both sides of the now defunct Iron Curtain). ;=)
In the 13th Century, The Netherlands didn't exist.  It was part of Westphalia.  Since then a lot of land has been reclaimed from the sea.

Just south of Westphalia was Brabant, which became Spanish Holland and after that Belgium.  T

Look at the map of the Holy Roman Empire, which was  loose confederacy and one can see what I mean.  Germany didn't come into existence until the 1870s.  Prussia and Austria were  the major powers controlling central Europe after the fall of the HRE.  The Netherlands and Switzerland were already independent nations and the English and the Dutch were trying to wrest sea power away from France and Spain.

Holland became an independent country long before Belgium did.  Spain and Austria controlled Spanish Holland for many many years.
Are you sure about Westfalen? I'm familiar with it being the Western part of Saxony, bordered around 1000 to the East by Engern, to the South by the Duchy of Franken, to the West by the Duchy of Lothringen, and to the West and North by Friesland.
Yes, I do have German on my father's side. Nauheimer is my maiden name, hence most of my ancestors are from Nauheim/Bad Nauheim. They either came to the area with that name and founded those towns or adopted the name of the town as their surname (I don't know which). The earliest Nauheimers I can find go back to the 1600's in Giessen. Beyond that, I've hit a brick wall :(

I'd love to visit Bad Nauheim someday.

Nicole
I thought I remembered correctly, but just double-checked.  Holland seems to have been a separate province in the Holy Roman Empire from Westphalia.  Brabant was south of Holland; it is somehow related to the Duchy of Lothringen (according to Wikipedia).  Brabant eventually got split between The Netherlands, Belgium and France though at one time it was split between Holland and Spanish/Austrian Holland.  Border shifting was common through history.

Westphalia/Westfalen did not always have the same borders.

Thanks for correcting me!
I have ancestors both from The Netherlands and from Westalen-Rheinland.
I do - German only, with both paternal and maternal grandparents and before
Some of the names:  Grube, Sander, Ruopp, Gerstenmaier, Manz, Schulze, Steck, Staib
I have John (Johann) Solomon Teetzel (as spelt in America) came about 1780 from Saxe Coburg Gotha, Upper Saxon. Lived in New Jersey and then Ontario, Canada.

One quarter of my husband's ancestors are from Germany.  Wallenbrucke, near Spenge.
Mine was Louis Adolphus Myerson 1784 Prussia- 1860 London he was a perfumer in Hackney, London by 1813, but know nothing of his life in Prussia before immigration to the UK.
My Bemmer family came to the England in the late 1700's from Prussia. I'm guessing fleeing Napoleon...they suddenly appear in Egham, Surrey which I believe has a military connection. I have found a group in Hennes that fit the time-line but nothing to confirm.....I hate speculation but sometimes it's all there is.
My Glazier/Steep lines were from the Palatine.  Went to Tipperary, Ireland in 1709, then on to Peel Co., Ontario, Canada a century later.  I would like to find someone living near Maintz, Germany.  My Lemley family came from that area in the early to mid 1700s.  I have a book "the Autobiography of John Lemley" who came from Maintz as a young child with his family.  He writes that he could see the roof tops of Maintz from his village.  They left lots of relatives behind when they came to the U.S.  They were Catholic.  There must be some records of them in Germany, but I do not know how to locate them.  

Also my Vogel, Buckentin, Tradel, Farver lines are from Schwerin, Meckenburg,Germany.  They emigrated to the US in 1866  and settled in West Bend, Wisconsin.  I will be glad to send what I have on these families if someone can help find records in Germany on them.
I am descended from Hans DeVault Funderburke. He was born in Germany in 1735 and came to America at the age of 14. He was the grandson of Adolph and Princess Elizabeth Anna VonDerBurg. The name was later changed to Funderburk.

Yes, Hardmans spelled also Hartmann and Hartman.  Peterman Hardman came from Ingleheim-am-Rhine in the State of Hesse.  He received a land grant after the Revolutionary War.  I have no other indication that he may have been a Hessian.  Went to a Hessian Park museum in Germany, had the Declaration of Independence written in German, pictures of land grants and a Hessian soldier. It was like a village.

Yes - My family line is related to Seckinger - hard to locate too far back.

My wife is from Germany - maiden name is Baer.

Father: Franz Anton Baer - Mother: Helga Danneberg.

Any help from the Community would be appreciated!
My GG Grandfather, Solomon Wolf, along with 3 of his sons, David, Wilhelm and Lukas and one daughter, Catherine came to the US in 1849.

They lived in New York City until the late 1850's.

Solomon died in NYC in 1858, and David, my G Grandfather, moved to Philadelphia.
Yes Gunterr Was my grandfather last name.on my mother side.
Ja, mijn voorouders van vaderszijde komen uit Weseke onder de naam Theorie in Nederland is dat veranderd in Thiers
And I have stood at the wall that Rome built to keep the barbarians out.

Pictures of the tower, the moat to keep them out.

Genealogy sure brings history to the forefront.
I was told my G/G/Fathers parents came from Germany but I cant find any info Alfred Lenden was born in London his Father was also Alfred and they were supposed to be connected to the steel mill branch of the Family not the farming side I am not sure if this is any help

Pat Hughes
My grandfather x 3 Elias Dotter was German but I have been unable to find anything about him. The only thing I know about him he gets married in 1843 in Newry Nr Ireland and was a clockmaker. My research shows the surname originated in the Black Forrest . Baden . Baden Wuttenburgh  and that could tie in with the profession of a clock maker.
My maternal ancestors came from eastern pommerania.Some of the towns I have heard in connection with them are Alt Jugelow, Sochow,Dammen, and Stolpe.   The sir names I am familiar with are Meyer, Menzel, Marzke or Maerzke, Kant , and possibly Pommeranz. If anyone can identify with any of this I would love to hear from you!        Karen Deveau
Yes, on my father's side I have several.....SCHWARTZ, ROTHHAAR, SCHMIDT, SCHWEITZER, SCHODDER/SCHOTTER, PFAFFMAN from Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany; KNOERR/KNERR originally from Switzerland then immigrated to Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany, WEISS/WYES from Baden-Wuerttemberg. It's said that one of my fathers great grandparents immigrated from Germany to Pennsylvania, but I can't seem to find that. It's said also that our last name of CRAMER may have been spelled with a K instead of the C.

I have been unable to get any farther past my great grandfather who was born in Pennsylvania in 1861 and died in Nebraska in 1952. Those darn brick walls.
I have a Prussian ancestor with the surname Myerson from Prussia, not sure if it's the same connection as with Myer.  I've seen it written as Meirson and Myerson.   His name was Louis Adolphus Myerson and other times I've seen his surname as Lois, but not sure if this is an error or not.   Any ideas?He was born about 1784 in Prussia and by 1813 had migrated to Hackney in London.  I'd love to find out his life in Prussia.
My Father's maternal grandmother was a Schlereth who immigrated as a child from Germany.  His paternal Hile(s) line came from the German Palatine probably thru England/Ireland.  (I'm currently in the middle of a collaboration with 2 Irish y-dna matches to my father's brother trying to confirm the England/Ireland connection.)

Both of my mother's parental lines originated in Germany.  Her father's paternal Kokron line originated in a town named Coqueron* of Alsace-Lorraine area of Germany/France.  "The youngest son of the Duke who ruled the Coqueron area decided that he would seek his fortune in Romania.  Every Kokron in Romania is a descendant from this Duke." That's the story I was told when I contacted other Kokron's still living in Europe.

My mother's Bayer line originated in Lauda, Main-Tauber-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany and emigrated to what is now Hungary in the early 1700s.  

Her parents, Maria Francesca Bayer and Janos Kokron, arrived separately in St Louis, Missouri, USA in the early 1900s.

* an old-Norse word meaning "haystack"
Kristine:

I hate to bring bad news, but there is no town named Coqueron in Alsace-Lorraine unless the name has been so badly butchered that nothing similar pops up when you look. In French it means the spaces at the very front and rear of sail ships too small to use for other purposes than storage. A haystack is a meule de foin.
My ancestor Jacob Klepper was a Palatinate that arrived in the USA in 1748. To think that just 15 years ago, my family history was a complete mystery, now as relatives get old, they become more talkative about what they know about the family.  Make them talk before it's too late, LOL

Yes, I have lots of them:  My Paternal line, starting back into Germany with my GM, Anna Elisabeth Berg (later Hilse), at which point it becomes his MATERNAL line alone. From her it goes to Schmid,  Bar (with all variants), von Berg, Sallmann, Metzger, Herrmann, Schneider, Joesel or Jösel; Becker, Sauter, Wetzel,  Oberst, Zollerin, Arndt,  Stapel, and more.

 

 

Yes, In my paternal line, starting with my very German GM, Anna Elisabeth Berg (later Hilse), at which point the line becomes my father's MATERNAL line alone. From ANNA her line goes to Schmid,  Bar (with many variants), von Berg, Sallmann, Metzger, Herrmann, Schneider, Joesel or Jösel; Becker, Sauter, Wetzel,  Oberst, Zollerin, Arndt,  Stapel, and more.

 

 

Hi Roberta,

Did any of your Herrmann family live in Conneaut, Astabula County, Ohio? I have Joseph and Bertha Herrmann and their family, my great grandmother's sister.

Sharon
Thank you for your interest in my family discussion.  I have put what I was told by Kokron descendants living in the town.
Sharon, thanks so much for your query!  My Herrmanns I haven't traced forward into the USA but I'm eager to see yours. My GF (3rd or 4th of Anna Berg's line (Hilse-40) is the one you'd have to see before our notes can be looked further into. I'd love to know if some arrived in the US, which would mean that someone I'm "connected with" is still possibly alive. I'd also like to know more about the culture of his and his descendants' eras.

My knowledge about their probable ventures into the US is nil because I wanted to find my missing Unknowns and my families' lines opened to the historical times, not the present. Your note's good for me, the nudge that I can perhaps find descendants with your sharp mind. (You seem to be everywhere on Wikitree for your good work!)

In my Herrmann line is my GM Anna Elizabeth Berg, btw. So start with her and please let me know if you see any connective tissue, even the smallest.
Hello Roberta,

 

Thank you for the compliments. I have been researching genealogy for 38 years, and have families from many ethnic groups.

Unfortunately, I don't know much about the Herrmann family except the descendants of Joe and Bertha Versch Herrmann.

 

Herrmann-636

== Biography of Joseph G. HERRMANN, Sr. ==

 

[[Herrmann-636 Joseph G. Herrmann, Sr.]] was born May 9, 1877.

 

*[[Herrmann-636 Joseph G. Herrmann, Sr.]] married [[Schirck-31|Bertha A. Schirck]] in 1900 in Dunkirk, New York.

 

 [[Herrmann-636 Joseph G. Herrmann, Sr.]] and [[Schirck-31|Bertha A. Schirck]] had five children:

**Herrmann-666|Mary Herrmann]], born 1901

* [[Herrmann-665|Joseph M. Herrmann]], born June 1904

*[[Herrmann-669|Raymond Herrmann]], born November 18, 1905

*[[Herrmann-668|Francis J. Herrmann (Herman)]], born December 25, 1907

*[[Herrmann-667|Margaret Herrmann Parke]], born 1919.

 

*[[Herrmann-636 Joseph G. Herrmann, Sr.]] bought a farm in Conneaut, Ashtabula County, Ohio by 1910. He farmed the land for many years.

 

 [[Herrmann-636 Joseph G. Herrmann, Sr.]] passed away on June 10, 1964.  He is buried with his wife in Saint Joseph Cemetery in Conneaut, Ashtabula County, Ohio.

 

'' Information as researched by [[Troy-204 | Sharon Centanne]], Thursday, April 23, 2015, and updated Thursday, February 4, 2016.''
Sharon, thanks for the details above. My Herrmanns were Lutherans (Evangelisch auk Deutsch), but my GM Anna changed to Catholic after her arrival here in US.  Do you know if your Herrmanns' religion is either? Not that it would make a real addition to facts at this point. But we might let it rest in our brains a while. I assume your Hermanns are from somewhere in Germany originally. Do you?
I think they were Catholics. Bertha's mother was Catholic, but her father was Lutheran. Not sure if he changed. I am thinking Joseph Herrmann was probably Catholic because I don't remember any religion problems on that side of the family and they were married in a Catholic Church I think. Her sister who is my great grandmother, and  my grandmother were Catholic. I used to be Catholic too, but now I am Lutheran. Most of my Germans are one or the other. I don't know where the Herrmann's are from, but it is definitely a German name.
My 2nd great-grandfather, Charles Fredrick Munson, B. 1814, came from Saxe-Weimar, Germany in about 1830.  The spelling on his marriage document has his name spelled Mohnsamen.   His father was Christoph Henri Mohnsann (different spelling).

Charles married his wife, Mary Ann (Marian) Sainger (Singer/Sanger), Feb. 1843, in Mobile, Alabama.  I have been unable to find anything on her. His mother and sisters came later, but were shipwrecked off the Florida keys, so that is where they remained.  They also used the name  Munson.

Not sure if I will ever break this brick wall for Charles and Mary Ann, as my grandmother said MaryAnn changed her name from Singer to Sanger, but I haven't been able to find her on any ship logs.  She supposedly got off a boat in Mobile and that is how she met Charles.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ah, yes.  Did the rigors of the Lutherans attract you after the rigors of being Catholic? So many other denominations exist, that's why I ask--pardon, please, my curiosity.
Yes, my great great grandfather was from Germany. He immigrated to the USA around 1872 to Wisconsin. His name was Chris Beeg. One of his sons reportedly was born in Bavaria. The ancestry trail ends with Chris. His wife, Mary Wleklenosky and her family were from Mecklenberg, Germany. The trail ends with her father, Stanislaus.  Some records said that Chris and his son Frank were from Prussia and Schank, Germany. My great grandfather was Frank and he changed his name to Beck, so don't have much of his history. Recently proven information has revealed he was a Beeg. The family ended up in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Wondering if anyone knows this family.
Last name (Rosenbaum)  traced back to Hans Bernard Rosenbaum 1665-1712 Palatine, Bavaria (now Germany)

Maternal grandfather's last name (Ochsenfeld) traced back to Peter J. Ochsenfeld 1902-1975  Banat, Austria
I have Hermanns too. My 2x great grandma was Johanna Hermann who married Julius Haase.  They are Askenazi Jewish or at least one was. They came to America in 1858 I think.  They were un NY before settling in Chicago

My GGM was Rosa/Rosalin/-ia Herrmann, born Schmid: Her profile page reports: 

Rosalin [middle name?] (Rosa) "Rosalie, Rosalia" [uncertain] Bär formerly Schmid aka Herrmann

Born about 2 Sep 1837 [uncertain] in Schapbach, Ortenaukreis, Baden, Germanymap

Daughter of Josef Herrmann and Viktoria Schmid

Sister of Veronika Schmid [add sibling]

Wife of Christian Cristof Bär — married [marriage date?] [marriage location?]

DESCENDANTS descendants

Mother of Elisabeta Friederika (Bär) Berg and August Carl (Baer) Bär [add child]

Died about 1914  [uncertain] in Offenburg, Ortenaukreis, Baden, Germanymap [uncertain]

But I only know that one child of this family, Veronika Schmid, Rosalia's sister, who immigrated to the USA; she made it to New Haven CT and was there in 1907 when her cousin Anna Berg, then barely 17, arrived at Ellis Island. Veronika paid Anna's passage to the US so she could change her life for the better. I've assumed (never assume) that Schmid was her birth surname vis a vis the record above. Rosa Baer was Veronika's sister and likely helped her with Anna's passage. When Rosa brought Rudy 4 yrs later to the US (Ellis) she reported that she was visiting her sister and delivering Rudy to his parents. She returned to die in or near Hamburg Germany (where her son August Baer and his wife Elisabeth Weidner Baer lived) pretty shortly after visiting her sister--probably a great relief to find a place to "be home." 

I have German on both sides of my family, many names (not all in my part of the tree here, as yet). 

Pat grfa:  Johann Philipp Wisbach and Susanna Wehrheim of Nordrhein-Westfalen; Christian Wyman of ?.

Pat grmo:  Johan Philip Kees of Hesse Cassel, fought in Rev.

Mat grfa: Peter Snider of Tillenburge, fought in Rev.; Johann Wilhelm Zumwald of Alsace-Lorraine; Catharina Margaretha Jacob of Bayern;  Philip Christoph Kehl of Baden-Wurttemberg.

Mat grmo:  Joseph Diehl of Wuerttemberg (name changed to Teel); Herman/Harmon in den Hoffe of Westphalia (Mennonite); Abraham Isaaks op den Graef of Krefeld, Westphaia (Mennonite); Johannes Klein of Rhineland-Paltinate (spelling changed to Kline); Johannes Faigelin and Anna Ursula Schneckenberger of Baden-Wurttemberg (surname change to Vogele).

There are other lines that I think may be German, but not back to the immigrant.

My great-grandma Teel, maiden name Kline, insisted that her family was Pennsylvania Dutch, not German.  When I got copies of her father's Civil War enlistment papers, he called himself German, of course (3rd generation born in America though).  I suspect Grandma might have wanted to deny the German because of World War I and the attitudes toward those of German descent, and/or that her brother was killed fighting in France.   

You are a member of a Valiant history. Of them I don't seem SEEM to connect, but you are good to have risen up among us. We will find them.
I just recently discovered my German strain that I NEVER knew about.  I learned about it a year ago.  Peter Schraw born October 16, 1810 Bavaria, Germany. He was baptized  in Evangelisch, Isselhorst, Westfalen, Prussia.  I cannot find concrete evidence for his immigration.  But I do know that he settled in Pike County, Ohio.  He died in Pike County (Waverly) ohio in 1887.  I find it hard to get very far with his ancestors because of the language barrier.....I do not speak or read German :(
Kristy Ling, You'll find so many people here who are native speakers and readers of German who are willing to help. "We get by with a little help from our friends!" and what a find!
Kristy:

Are you sure about your Peter being born in Bavaria and then baptized in Isselhorst, which in 1810 was not part of Prussia but of the (Napoleonic) Kingdom of Westphalen istead? That would be almost 200 miles distance from the nearest Bavarian border and having several other small states in between. To travel that distance during time of war (Napoleonic Wars) with a newborn without having him baptized would be highly unlikely.
Helmut, you knowledge is amazing. Is this part of it borne from your early chronic education or your interests after your school and occupation lives were lived? Just curious and congratulatory!
Roberta:

Believe me, growing up in Germany after WWII sharpens the mind with respect to history (it did, at least for some of us).
Thanks for that glimpse of your perspective,Helmut..

Hi  Sue Berryhill - https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/user/Runnells-28

I thought you might be interested in some "Pennsylvania Dutch" history (if you don't already know this!).

The term is more properly "Pennsylvania German" because the so-called Pennsylvania Dutch have nothing to do with Holland, the Netherlands, or the Dutch language. These settlers originally came from German-speaking areas of Europe and spoke a dialect of German they refer to as "Deitsch" (Deutsch).  Thus, they were referred to as "Pennsylvania Deutsch" which was corrupted to "Pennsylvania Dutch."

So in fact, your Gr-Grandmother Teel was just referring to herself as German!  I had the same issue with my paternal side who lived in Pennsylvania.  What was interesting as I got a generation or two farther back, is that they were indeed German, but with a very strong line of Dutch ancestors back a long way!  So in fact they actually were "Pennsylvania Dutch"!  So funny..

You never know what you'll find!  Grandma Teel died before I was born, but she raised my mom and her sister, after their mother died.  The way it was told me, it sounded like Grandma must have known that Penn. Dutch was actually German, the way she insisted they were DUTCH.  Not so, and no Netherlands/Holland ancestors that I've found.  Her paternal grandmother's maiden name was Weter or Weeter, though, or maybe an alternate spelling.  I don't know where her forebears came from; her presumed parents were Peter Weeter and Catherine Ober.  Ober sounds German to me, Weeter could be, or could it be Dutch?
Weeter could very well have been Dutch.  I've found names that drifted from the Netherlands to Northwest Germany and thus, they kind of became both.  A good example is the name "Borst", which is in our family.

Also, Weeter may have been misspelled from Weider which is both Dutch and German.  Lots of possibilities!
While I thought I was 1/2 German, I did my DNA and was shocked to find that I am 65% Great Britain - mostly English and Scottish!  That said, for those who can do it - I recommend it.  It opens up new lines of inquiry and helps answer the question - how did my maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather have ancestors in Great Britain??  I love genealogy.

Patty, I got a glimpse of a suggestion of a german name in your line--which led me here, but where? Reinhimer was what caught my eye. Think of the German language. In Germany it would have been spelled in the  original German way. Have you tried in your searching to go for such spellings as Rhein (like the river) and heimer as All one word or end of a name or a noun. that is, Someone who lives along the Rhein River, his home (das Heim). Germans are famous for using what I think of as Word-crowding, sometimes making words far longer than a simple two or three of them linked together. 

 

Hi Roberta:

Thank you for your thoughts on our Rinehimer family.  Actually, there have been a number of researchers, including myself that have uncovered numerous spellings of this name - one or two the same as you suggested. The original to our shores was a Conrad Christopher Reinheimer.

 Now we are at a "get over the ocean" point and believe our Reinheimers may have come from the Hesse region near the Rhine - possibly in Darmstadt.  

Our other little problem is that we are not sure Conrad Christopher's son, Conrad II was actually his son as family legend says his actual parents died on board the ship.  We would need to find Conrad C's hometown, church and any children baptized in Germany to help eke out the truth to this matter.

It's one of those complex lines indeed!

Again my thanks

Patty Almond
Well, Patty, I got the Rhine river spelled incorrectly and the word-squeeze part spelled right. Thanks for the correx.  I've always wondered about those family legends. I suppose CCReinheimer is too distant a relative to do an auDNA test on both lines to clear up the question of "real" relationship.

I'm a little late to this question, but I still wanted to contribute and with luck, learn something.  My great grandfather, John Pieschke, and my great grandmother, Bertha Koeppen Pieschke, came to the United States (separately as far as I know) from Germany sometime in the 1890s.  I have never been able to find immigration documentation or anything about their parents or life prior to them being in Chicago as of 1900. I'm hoping to get some ideas from this thread on where to turn to continue my search.  To add to the mystery, I did DNA testing which indicated a central European origin centered around Poland although I know my great grandfather spoke German and not Polish.  Any ideas to help me break down this brick wall are appreciated!

For many centuries prior to your ancestors' emigration, "Germany" extended well to the east of where it is now, into what is now Poland.  There is a good chance that your ancestors lived in this part of what was then Germany (Brandenburg, Silesia, Prussia, Pomerania) and perhaps inter-married with Polish people.
Yes.  The Romans built a wall so that the "Barbarians" could not get in.  I visited the wall with the Volknerrs, my hosts in Germany.  Read the history of the wall.  I have pic but cannot figure out how to attach.

At least half of my mother's ancestors were of German ancestry, but my DNA shows no German roots.  I've been told that aspect of DNA info is highly unreliable.

Pat

 

I have Lowther fin Lowther, England then to Ireland.  they are thought to have immigrated to England from Nordic countries i e Norway, Finland, Denmark?  McWhorter Scottish but in Armagh, Ireland to America, Grimes found in Armagh, Ireland. Irish, Scottish?????  Hardman spelled Hartmann is German but they came from the Barbarians from the North.i. e. Denmark.  Check this artilcle on wikipedia out of pre-Roman Iron Age 2 BCE to 1 AD. These are the peoples that Roman Empire built a wall to keep them out. So Hardmans--a germanic people, Lowthers, a gemanic people. before Germany was Germany.  This is like the counties of West Virginia--Once the county was Augusta and over time became 55 counties.  Remembering the maps at the time of our ancestors lives will help us know who we are and from whence we came.
Most of my ancestors are from Germany or various Prussian areas and the rest are Swiss. I knew that the Reuszer (also spelled Russer) family in my mother's line was Swiss, but now I have found others. Most of these seem to be from the Canton-Bern area.

I need to update the surnames I follow, for I have found quite a few. My own  surname, Bode, is one I am most interested in because I hit a brick wall a few generations back.

Some of these people are hard to document accurately, so I am trying to slowly pull things together for the people I've identified in the 1700's and before so that I can apply for pre-1500 certification. I have some ancestors I have been unable to enter here because I lack that certification.

I've done the DNA (R-Z1 and J1a1b1) and the Family Tree DNA map claims I would be English, but the Genographic.com heatmap and description show me as German. I have yet to find a single person in my tree who did not live in Germany or Switzerland or immigrate to the USA from there.

  I'm awaiting mitochondrial results.
Patty, I have the same problem with my DNA-results. My DNA results say that my ancestors are mainly scandinavian and british and a little Italian and Greeke.

I am German and my ancestors in my tree are all Germans. The reason must be that there are a lot of people from Britain tested who have the same roots as Germans have a long time ago.

If you are searching places in Germany you can use "GOV": http://gov.genealogy.net/search/name

Here I found two villages called Rheinheim.
It's surprising how many German ancestors I have.  First there are the lines from Grafschaft Bentheim which traditionally aligns itself with Dutch culture and history but in 1754 was annexed by Hanover. The last of them moved to the Netherlands around 1830.  Then there two individuals from Ost Friesland  and the Lippe area who moved to the Netherlands apparently to find work between 1720 and 1740, plus two more people from the same time period who were almost certainly German but whose ancestry we cannot find.  Then there's a military family having been stationed in Braunschweig long enough to have children there before going to the southern Netherlands, and another coming from Hamburg to north of Amsterdam (presumably as a merchant), both around 1650.  And of course I have one Palatine line in my Colonial American heritage.  So the answer is yes, I have considerable German ancestry in spite of the fact that my family is not German.
I have a pretty extensive German history. Much of it is unknown as to my pre-America Germans. My 3x maternal grandmother was Ginna Blengsinger/Blitzinger exact spelling or any recordS of her have not been found. I know she was born about 1805 in Germany. Story told is that my 3x Great grandfather Jesse Greer was making a tobacco haul to the Port of New Orleans where he purchased Ginna as a indentured servant. He married her after his first wife died. Story says that she was Jewish, but took on the Protestant faith once here.

On my father's side is where most of my Germans come from. However I have been told that they were possibly Danish. I am waiting to see what my DNA says about me.

My first paternal German surname is Rish/Resh/Riesch/Risch. I have seen many spellings,  however my line kept Rish. They were a part of the Palatinates who came to South Carolina. Johannes Andre Rish who married Elizabeth Guilder also Palatinate German came with a few of their children. His wife's family came before her. She stayed and came with her husband. They ended up in Saxe-Gotha Settlement, South Carolina

Another direct line is Minnick/Minnig. Christian Minnick who married Sarah Rebecca Herman (?Young). Young from a previous marriage. Not certain this is the same Rebecca though. Both Minnick and Herman were also part of the Palatinates. They settled in 96 District, South Carolina

Then I have the Beck, Finch (Conrad Beck and Sarah Christina Finch), Gable and Oswalt/Oswald families (John Gable and Loduska Oswalt daughter of Henrich Oswalt). They are said to have come from Holland/Netherlands, but traveled with the Palatinates. They settled in 96 District, South Carolina

I have a note that the Minnick family arrived to South Carolina 10/17/1749 and the ancestor Heinrich Oswald/Oswalt arrived on the ship Mercury 05/29/1735 to South Carolina.

I don't know much about who they were or there time or family in Germany or wherever they originally came from. I hope that DNA will give me some direction.
Yes... My mother's mothers side came from Germany mid to late 1800s. Her mother's father moved from Germany wheb he was 5 and her mother grandparents all came over from Germany
My mother was half German and half Irish.  Her parents were children of German and Irish immigrants.  Her maternal grandfather (Ludwig Pflughaupt) was born 15 Oct 1852 in Musselmow.  Her maternal grandmother (Sophia Johanna Maria Klausen was born 25 Dec 1856 in Gustavel.  My father always told us he was half Irish and half Scottish.  Little did he know the Fox surname was from German and his 4x Great Grandfather was Heinrich Fuchs, born 17 Dec 1728 in Eckweiler, Kreis Kreuznach, and came to Philadelphia Harbor in 1749.  Heinrich's wife, Catharina Konig came to Philadelphia as an immigre in 1752 and was born in Winterbach, Bad Kreuznach in 1731.  So he came from a long line of Pennsylvania Deutsch.
p.s., His Irish roots came from his Grandfather's marriage to a Conners from Ireland.  His father married a woman with Great Britain/Scottish roots.
Hi, there is a huge MEIER family in South Africa who came over with the 'agricultural settlers' in 1858/59. They sailed from Hamburg to Brittish Kaffraria, now Eastern Cape, and settled in the area. My own paternal grandmother is a MEIER, and I am told was quite a 'no nonsense' person.

There are other MEIER groups who came to Natal to settle there, although I have not been able to document them to any degree.

Take Care,

Rod Gebhardt

Cape Town
Herr Meier in SoAfrica must have been quite a dictator. Most Germans are pretty much that way, but not my father. His adoptive father was a softie and so was my father. Thank Heaven.

I'd love to see South Africa and all--that huge landscape and its varied cultures: all amazing.
"must have been quite a dictator. Most Germans are pretty much that way"
Really? Most Germans? Living Germans also?

Are you sure?

Who told you that?
Willi, I'm so sorry to have offended you. However, in my 58 years of adult experiences, these statements are sadly and easily apparent, and so easily experienced if you are their target.  Alas.

Perhaps their social order has changed away from these difficult  experiences. My last experience with one living member was in April of 2016.
Roberta, I am really sorry that you made such terrible experiences with German. I think people are different, in every nation you can find good and bad ones.

But that is not our theme here, let us find out more about our ancestors!

Regards,

Willi
Willi, I am sorry too that I've had such experiences. And so many over a lifetime. In looking back, I found my worst and first experience with them was in college where my Latin professor, a former military man with a PhD, told a young man to get out of the classroom for a question. To our horror, his words were terrible (I can't quote them here though I remember them, an epithet about Jews). The worse effect: the 6-8 members of the class were dumbstruck. No one spoke about it or left the room or the class. I confess when I saw the young man I didn't stop him to tell him what was in my heart--complete compassion for him. I've never let myself off the hook about that.

Further, Your response to my comments was of course what I've said and thought to myself for all the decades since. So much in life must be learned the hard way. The situation still makes me sick when I think of it.

Yes, let's find out about our ancestors: I have many Germans in my paternal GM's family line: Berg, Schmid, Hermann and all variant spellings, Baer,--these are the nearest to me in time. The names are so common as to make my research unrewarding: many wrong choices.
I have Hermann and Schmidt also!
My Grandmother is from Stuttgart. She met my grandfather during the war and moved to the United States when she was 18. To this day she still uses mit in a lot of her sentences. Her family has some cool (I'm a history major) and not so cool details from World War II.

My husband's family was a sausage maker in Freundenstadt. They came over and married in the area of others from their area.

 

Anyone looking into Schneider, Wurster, Lovell, and Smith from these areas look me up.
My ancestors are from eastern France and southern Germany, which produced a large amount of immigrants to the U.S. in the1860-1870 period of time.  My great grandfather, Bernard Siebert was from Ottenau, (near Baden) Germany, and his wife came from Liederschiedt, Lorraine, France, which is right on the border of Germany. (Maybe Liederschiedt was German at one time.  I am not sure how the borders changed over time.)  Another great grandfather, Martin Miller (Meuller) is from Bavaria, and he came from the area near Rupperts Stone Quarry.  I don't know where this is in Bavaria, but the stone is in the base of the Cincinnati Blessed Virgin Mary Statue in the center of town?.  Martin Miller's wife was named Mary Telger (There are many different spellings of her name) and she was from Luxembourg.  My cousin married a Beck, and his grandfather, Romuald Beck, who came from who came from Baden-Baden, Germany.
Most of my family (Timmerman/Borgerding) is from Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, departing for the USA from the port of Bremen during the "migration". I have found several Prussians, too. I don't have much entered on this site yet as I am transferring info/data from another here. I hope to be interacting more within WikiTree soon.

My Hardman (Hartmann) ancestors came from Ingleheim-am-Rhine (Juliana on the Rhine) in the state of Hesse.  The location was very much like the area they settled in in WV and the house was like those built in Germany ibn the 1700's.  They came via England.  I do not know whether he was a Hessian soldier but do know he got a land grant for property now WV.  Land grants were the way the Hessians who fought for us were paid.

Yes, I do! My father was born in Germany, being half Norwegian, half German. My grandfather was German, born in Weimar, Thüringen, in 1888.
Hi I have tons German ancestors but will list this one I found.

I have neat ancestor here I have his travel documents in German so cool just getting some the profile done here while can.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dörrer-5

Billie
Maternal GrandMother  born Berlin family name Kraenzelin.. can't trace any more of them, appears they were from around Alsace, her husband Lange Polish..Kraenzelin goes back through Germany to Switzerland to my surprise, through a  wife Hoffert , to Hoffer. seems to branch out  to other countries with the wives, fascinating
My German GM's roots are deep and they go in two quite differing directions. One line disappears quickly into Schmid and Hermann. The other goes from Bär/Baer to Berg to von Berg for a very long run after the first von Berg. The brief Bär/Baer stay is brought by a woman, my GM, and veers to Berg and on back to Schneider, Joesel, Zollerin and Bayer. Von Berg trails back to a strong consistently "of record" family of Sallmann and/or Sallmanhausen.

I have a Bower line I like to have join the Bower project 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bower-1865

Billie

My maternal GGG and GGM, Barnhardt and Fredricka Boy came from Mecklenberg. After they arrived in America they settled in Erie County, New York on a farm and stayed there until they died. I have all the census records and even some land records to look at and see their lives. But I haven't been able to find out anything about them before they came to America, so that is my brick wall. If anyone has suggestions or is related to them I would be interested in hearing from them.
My husband's family is from Baden Baden and Apolda.   I have some German lines (Ulm for one) as well.
My father's unknown father and dad's mother were from Germany, but my GM (dad's mom) is the one who is known to have migrated to the USA. She was very y young and must have been afraid of motherhood so she left her infant or toddler son with her Mother. Her parents and other family members  had either died or were offended by her being a single mother. Thank heaven our customs are more understanding now. So many circumstances form a life, and some are pleasant.

While my maiden name is Dutch (Van Dusen) my mother’s maiden name is German-Jewish (Rothschild) and her mother’s maiden name was German (Sippel) - as was her grandmother’s maiden name (Ade). I have been to the tiny little village (6 houses) in Reupoldsroth, Germany where my great grandmother (Maria Ade) was born and stood in one of the two possible farm houses where she would have been born in 1867! I’m now in the process of checking my DNA to see what it reveals about me and hopefully connects me with living relatives, both here in Germany as well as elsewhere (I’m from the US).

Hermann Schneiderjann or Hermann Snider was my great grandfather's (Joseph Snider) father. Joseph Snider(Schneiderjann) came to the US in the 1880's and shortly his wife Marie followed. But I am unable to research any further due to the cost of researching on Ancestry.com. I can't locate anything on FamilySearch either. Nothing about where they immigrated to (US) or from or what ship. Nothing in regards to them in Germany except where Joseph was born and approximate location of Marie Rudtke's birth and birthdate. I have a huge brickwall in front of me for the last 20+ years.

Je weet waar en ongeveer wanneer je voorvader Joseph werd geboren ? Weet je ook wat zijn godsdienst was? Dan raad ik je aan om eens te kijken bij Matricula (data.matricula-online.eu/en/) Ik heb er veel aan gehad. Zijn naam zal in die boeken wel Joseph Schneider zijn. Succes!

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My grandmother's parents both came from Germany, but they met in New Jersey. Max Ewald Trillitzsch worked as a cabin boy on German-American steamships. His wife, Julia came over as a servant.

On one trip to Jersey City he was taken ill and was sent to the hospital. The ship sailed back without him and he decided to stay in the United States. He eventually met Julia Lebherz there, and they married. Most of his children were born in Jersey City. He learned the metal polishing trade and carried his tool kit with him everywhere. It consisted of small files and polishing cloths. He eventually left Jersey City for Brooklyn and lived on Knickerbocker Ave and did his metal polishing in New York City. He also spent time in what was then Smithville South on Long Island, taking the Long Island Railroad to work. Smithville South was where his children attended school. (That area is the present-day North Merrick and North Bellmore in Nassau County.)

His wife Julia was also born in Germany and came to the US about the same time as a servant. She arrived in the United States on 28 Dec 1895 at New York, New York aboard the ship Saale, which left from Bremen. She was employed as a "Servant/Gentleman's Servant" according to the ship's manifestThey met in the Jersey City area, married in 1898 and had seven children.

Julia with 5 of her children and 2 cousins (unidentified)

I don't have a lot of information about Max's family. He came from Gera, Saxony, Germany. Julia came from Bavaria.

by Karen Fuller G2G6 Mach 3 (33.1k points)
selected by Jerry Dolman
What a nice story with detail and a lovely picture with children :)
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For the longest time I thought I was basically 3/4 German.. BUT turns out quite a few of my lines just made their way to America via Germany after living there at least one generation. I do think my Schindler's are German but haven't been able to get past the farthest out I have to find that out. :)
by Charlotte Shockey G2G6 Pilot (983k points)

Ohhh, any chance you're related to Oskar Schindler?

Not sure... I've only got so far in on my Schindler line before it gets into German written documents. :) LOL
We are all curious, and likely to be disappointed about that notable's belonging in a living person's line.

Well, he supposedly had 2 illegitimate children, Oskar and Edith Schlegel (Jitka Gruntová, Legendy a Fakta o Oskaru Schindlerovi, Prague, 2002).

Well if I am related to him it most likely is further up the line.
His parents were Johann Schindler and Franziska Luser, he had a sister Elfriede. However, the family was from Zwittau, Moravia, today Svitavy in the Czech Republic. And Schindler is a pretty common last name, so unless you know your family comes from Moravia it is very unlikely you are related. My comment was really about the notion in anonymous's comment that it would be unlikely to find living relatives.
Oh ok. :-)
Helmut, Thank you again for your advanced knowledge.
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While the majority of my ancestors is Dutch, a few Germans show up in my tree mid 18th century.
by Joke van Veenendaal G2G6 Mach 9 (95.6k points)
Joke,  I'd be surprised if there are any Nederlanders who don't have a German connection within a few generations.  There has been a lot of border crossing between those two countries.
my family has been living for generations in the borderregion shared by the Netherlands and Germany. (for the insiders: Rijk van Nijmegen, Kop van Limburg)  Sometimes the people moved, sometimes the Border. Someone who never left his hometown could have been Prussian, Belgian and Dutch in his life. Especially during the period1790-1839.
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Short answer is yes for some lines.....Federlechner, Schiffhauer, et al.
by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.7m points)
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My father always told me his great grandfather Bernhard Bach migrated in 1890 from Brandenburg,Germany well I started trying to research the Bach side and it’s been one of the hardest, most frustrating task....researching someone who obviously didn’t want to be researched. As far as I know it’s just me and my dad, his sister & my brother. I’m still searching for information although just last week I did find the village Bernhard was born in but if any of you wikitreeiers have any information pertaining to Bernhard Bach is greatly appreciated. Just a side note on my newly confirmed reserch my fathers mother: Germaine Seward is a descendant of Byrum and Abigail Pitney-Seward. I really hit the information jackpot when my father passed his mother’s private vault to me , he had never gone through it and had no idea just how much his ancestors mother/father’s side had a great deal to with the way our America is today.  We literally had a Seward fighting a Bach in the war of 1812...❤️
by Stephanie Bach G2G4 (4.3k points)

I noticed you have Braunschweig as origin on your Bernhard's profile. While today that is a city in Niedersachsen, in 1861 that could refer to the country Herzogtum Braunschweig. It never was part of Preußen (or Brandenburg).

That is very valuable information and appreciate your reply. I don’t have a whole lot of information on Germany and it’s way of life so any and all information is welcomed
Stephanie--Very interesting. I'm so curious about your next to last sentence! Please tell us more!!
Stephanie Bach:  I hope you will remember to tell us how much "his ancestors. . .had a great deal to do with the way our American is today" !!

We'd love to know. Truly.
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I have German on both sides of my family--Palatinate, verging into Czech territories, through different branches of the Huffman/Hoffman lines. The most prevalently known among them are those who settled eastern North Carolina, where most of them still reside. They were largely physicians and professors prior to coming to the US. After, they were farmers and landowners. I'm still learning about my Pennsylvania Huffmans.
by Kelley Harrell G2G6 Mach 1 (17.9k points)
Your Physicians and professors likely had big educations that they weren't willing to redo in the American style. The farmers had the job of feeding America. I have a friend who was disappointed that her relatives were farmers. I look at them as knowing a valued occupation and sticking with it.Bravo, to the farms and the people who visioned them and worked them.
My grandpaarents raised apples in PA and shipped them to markets by train. Hardworking folks. Grandma built a springhouse to keep milk, garden produce, and eggs cool. Grandpa built a smokehouse and purchased extra barrels for salting down the pigs and calves they raised each spring. Mom said the hams ftom that smokehouse were wonderful. Grandma bragged she was the only lady to have eggs for cakes at the church Christmas and New Years dinners.
Where would we be without farmers?
Mary --the answer is we would not be alive. While the small farm farmer is my hero, I don't feel like supporting the agribusiness farmers much at all.

At many points in this country (USA), FARMING was the job most Americans were involved in, including whole families to keep the crops growing and the children thriving.
Yes, many ancestors were rich/educated/or totals of some degree but most farmed I their becoming time in the colonies/America. There are English, Irish, Welsh,  Scottish, Prussia, German, Flemish, French Dutch and native Americans in my lines. Most farmed but quickly there are trappers, doctors, inventors, car makers, musicians, and artists. Many served in different times and military capcities. Just in my sons are Airforce, Navy, and Army. Several are church ministers, missionaries, and pastors. There are professionals and trades people. History and family sure are an interesting mix.
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I have German roots through the Smitterlou family who came to the island of Gotland in the early 1500's. The Smitterlous and the von Lübecks were mayors of Stralsund and Greifswald.
by Lena Svensson G2G6 Mach 5 (55.4k points)
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I have lots of German ancestors!  4 of my 2nd great grandparents and 2 of my 3rd great grandparents were immigrants to the United States from Germany.
by Kristin Merritt G2G6 Mach 3 (32.6k points)
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My great-grandfather was said to have stowed away on a ship bound from Germany to New York. That's the story. Actually, he and his sister were orphans and not well treated by relatives (still trying to find out who), so she and the other people in the village raised money for his passage to America at age 15. She was ten years older and entered a convent. He was an indentured servant and picked apples in upstate New York for seven years. Then he became a bartender. He married an Irish immigrant who was also an orphan.

My grandmother liked to tease my grandfather for being Irish and German. After doing some research, we found that she was also Irish and German. Ha! We haven't been able to prove her grandfather's family and think he may have been illegitimate. But he was a Ream and lived near Reamstown in Pennsylvania.

I thought it very interesting that both lines were from the same region in Germany. I would like to discover that they "knew" each other in the 17th century or so.
by Lucy Selvaggio-Diaz G2G6 Pilot (829k points)
Regarding your 'illegitimate' ancestor. I have the same situation, and learned that, in those days it was quite common for a couple to have a child before marriage!!! So you may find his parents very close to home!

Hope that helps.
Yes, Jerry, and Lucy!  I have many German relatives who could not get married until after they had children. There must have been rules about who was old enough and had a solid income before marrying. That would be so important especially  in the smaller villages.I wish I'd remembered more details. Sorry.
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Very much so, but more on my paternal side than my maternal side. But I have it in both.

My paternal grandparents were both very recent immigrants. My opa was from Austria and my oma from Germany. Or that is what I told - little did I know how complex the situation was. Where my oma was born was Germany at the time, though is now Poland. My opa's ancestors' original area where they were in the late 1800s is now, I believe, Serbia. I don't speak or read German, either, so I'm at a loss on research on this side of the family. My opa's surname was Metz, my oma's was Palnau. There is also Schmidt, Henke and Bukowska as other surnames I've managed to find. The Metz side has a family history booklet that some relatives put together, but I'm unsure if this lists sources or not.

Also, my om'as father was drafted into the German army at the very tail end of World War II. He did not return and was listed as MIA - his brother said that he was blown up by a bomb. The official records for missing German troops says that he was officially listed as MIA on January 1st, 1945. He was in his 40s at the time, certainly not an ideal age for a soldier but they were likely desperate at this point.

My German heritage on my mother's side is further back. Through my maternal grandfather there is some potential that a branch of German immigrants from the 1700s mixed in with the line of Irish immigrants from New York that he descends from. This would be through a woman with the surname Meyer/Meier, but I have yet to find proper sources for her parentage beyond a few other family trees so I am taking this with a grain of salt.

The Prussian through my maternal grandmother's side is well documented, however. Te Bonins and Glomskis originally came from West Prussia. They both seem to be Catholic families. Other surnames are Schultz and Grubich. (Glomski always seemed very Polish to me, however, so I am unsure. Bonin I also tend to find more with France/Quebec, but it is definitely documented that this particular line came from Prussia.) Censuses for these family members either list themselves as Prussian, Polish German, German or Polish. They immigrated in the mid 1800s and settled in Wisconsin.
by Kristen Louca G2G6 Mach 3 (32.8k points)
OUTSTANDING ! You are the only one I have come across that has some Prussian ancestors . Mine are maternal (Neuroth) .Could you tell me where east Prussia and west Prussia meet ? In the 1700's  .
Unfortunately your guess would be as good as mine! I am unfortunately not even that clear on where in modern day Germany the places my Prussian ancestors were from. I am thinking it may most likely be Poland currently.
My 3 times great grandfather, William Peter Gerfers, was born in Westfalia in 1827, when it was a province of Prussia.

Mike:

Here is a map of Preußen in 1700. The part in green named Hinterpommern is situated in Westpreußen, the separated part to the East named Hzm. Preußen is Ostpreußen. The bulk of Westpreußen is the white area in between which was Polish.

I have Prussian ancestry as well.  Mine came from Preußen in the beginning of  the US civil war. Haase and Hermann but haven't really traced the lines any further back.
I TOO HAVE PRUSSIAN ANCESTRY in my German and Eastern Euro lines. They aren't well researched at this time however.

Helmut, the images within your note above with its underlined Here  are so amazing. Many of them make me fear and several of them are warming. Nonetheless it's a very interesting collection.

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I have always been told I am half German. It turns out my mother's family are from several different groups of German speaking people.

The Kellermann's are from Coburg, Deutschland and ended up in Buffalo, NY. They are related to the Heines, the Bauers, the Gantzers, the Schaufs, the Betz, the Reitz, the Schaffers, the Schroeders and the Schmidts in Buffalo, and to the Dressels, the Crons, the Wickerts, the Ungerich and many more in Germany, mostly from Rhineland-Pfalz and Hesse.

The Versch's are from Bayern, Deutschland, but some of them are related to Austro-Hungarians from Burgenland (Eastern Austria). Some of them ended up in Buffalo, New York and some of them ended up in Herndon, Kansas and surrounding areas.They are related to the Schmitts, the Reibolts, the Kleidostys, the Niemeths (which means German).

The Schirck's are from Bas-Rhin in Alsace, but originally from Switzerland, and ended up in Pennsylvania. They are related to the Honharts, the Lessers, the Schulers, the Ruhlmanns, Dalrymples, the Kopps, the Herrmanns, the Gisselbrechts, the Lindebauers, the Mehs, etc.

The Kopps settled in East Eden, NY and we don't know what part of Germany they are from, but Freiburg has been suggested. They are related to the Apthorpe's of England

When my German males came to the USA, they tended to marry a daughter of a German immigrant. So my umbilical line is one of my earliest lines in the USA. That is probably why I have so many German families I am related to.

Wunderbar!

by Living Troy G2G6 Pilot (175k points)
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No.  I do, however, have Swiss ancestors who presumably spoke German.
by J. Crook G2G6 Pilot (229k points)
Be careful of what you presume.  There are 4 official languages in Switzerland, German, French, Italian, and Rhato-Romanish. Germans form the largest group there, but are not an overwhelming majority by any means. You need to find out which part of Switzerland your ancestors came from, but a good indication is whether their family names were of German origin.
My ancestor was this dude: Rev. Johannes Conrad Wirz, from Zurich, Switzerland, who emigrated to the U.S. in 1734.  For some reason, his sons changed the spelling of the name to Wurts.  One son fought in the Revolutionary War and thus stayed in the U.S..  Another son, my ancestor, ended up in Ontario after the war. Then my 4xg-grandfather participated in the Makenzie Rebellion and had to flee to the U.S. as a traitor to the crown. So anyway, I've always assumed that with a name like Johannes, my ancestor probably spoke German.  But I could be wrong.
You have presumed correctly. Johannes Conrad Wirz from Zürich can only be German. Wirz is a German name. Historically, ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the word German has a wider meaning that just the modern-day Federal Republic of Germany. Until very recent times, Austrians, Swiss Germans, Luxemburgers, Lichtensteiners and all the Volks-Deutsch (Germans living in places like Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, etcetera) were considered to be German. Mozart (the Austrian composer) said that he wished nothing more for himself than to be a ''good German''.
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Yes, very much so.  My surname is German, "Stratmann", and my paternal side is solid German. They came from a small village in the Rhineland region known as Wunnenberg.  My father's maternal side is from  Baden-Württemberg, Germany.. My mother's side is solid English and Scottish which I am able to find so much more information on.  German ancestry is a lot more challenging for me.

by James Stratman G2G6 Pilot (103k points)
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Do we count Charlemagne?

If yes, then a big yes. Else hmmm To be continued at a later time
by Richard Shelley G2G6 Pilot (247k points)
Yep, you can count Karl der Gross.  The Franks were actually a tribe of German origin.  After they decided to migrate to what is now "France" during the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, they became successful warriors and empire builders who eventually started speaking a creole-ized Latin which became French.
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My maternal grandmother's parents came from Germany (Prussia? Baden?) and settled in Iowa in the middle 1850s. I haven't yet tried to track Toepelt further back than that.
by Kay Knight G2G6 Pilot (600k points)
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Yes, and it is my biggest brickwall....Lots of people have tried to help me over the years, but, just have NEVER been able to find the immigration of my second great-grandfather https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Becker-1688

I had a trail on a John Becker that came through Canada, but, he turned out to still be alive after the death of my gg grandfather.   I am just stumped.

My DNA says I am 28% British Isles and 68% Central and Western European....
by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (862k points)
Immigrants tended to keep their religious affiliation, at least for a while. That should help narrow down your list of candidates.

John J. makes your Johann Jost the strongest candidate. Unfortunately location makes it much harder to find him. Oberhessen is not a town, it is a province in Hessen-Darmstadt and comprises several hundred villages and towns. One would have to find him and make sure he didn't die there and there is no other mention of him after 1844 to make a reasonable argument for him.
I had a little look at Wikipedia. At first I found a map where Oberhessen is highlighted in orange within this blue area  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Hessen_1900.svg In the German wikipedia-article about the Grand Duchy of Hesse there is when you scroll down a list of which "Kreise" (Counties) belonged to Oberhessen and the other Provinces. Each Kreis has a link and if you click on the links you will see (also by scrolling down) which towns belonged to each Kreis. (Spoiler: Altogether there are a few hundred towns.) To not run through zillions of datas it seems to me you need to find the town or at least the Kreis in which your John Becker lived.
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My Father's mother's family the Glass family can be traced to Germany in the Rheinland area. One of their descendants named the city of Berlin, Ohio.
by Ruth Henry G2G6 (7.1k points)
Ruth, Have you read in American literary fiction? There are many books re the Glass family. Pretty famous literary author. Good reading!
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My great great grandfather wanted to be an artist. His dad encouraged him to follow the family trade of wood carving, he had a workshop in the great cathedral in Munich, or become a doctor. After two years in medical school he immigrated to America settling in rural Minnesota. He became the country doctor and build the coffins when they died. His grandsons fulfilled his dream of being an artist. Frank Van Sloun was a talented artist with murals in the state capital in Sacramento California and elsewhere. Edward Van Sloun was an actor with major rolls in The Mummy, Dracula, Frankenstein and other old horror movies.
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Several of my mother's lines go back to southwestern Germany (and the German-speaking parts of Switzerland, and possibly areas like Strasbourg that are currently in France); they came to Maryland in the 1700s.

My husband's grandmother was from a town in the Black Forest.
by Sharon Casteel G2G6 Pilot (165k points)
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My great-great grandfather, William F. Hahn, emigrated from Germany in the 1850s. The story was always told that he came over when he was 3 years old. I recently found a naturalization document that suggests he was 12 or 13. I'm still trying to find him on a passenger list and figure out who his parents are.
by Auriette Lindsey G2G6 Mach 3 (31.7k points)

Did your face-to-face family members think your gggf Wm F Hahn emigrated through Ellis Island?  If so, you can use a phone number to get to live, helpful people. They researched for me my ggm's arrival with my father in 1911, and my gm's arrival in 1907, both without charging a fee. I then bought paper documents from them, which I consider treasures for very small moneys.

https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger; (212) 561-4588;  If this isn't the research department, please ask for it.

Thanks for your response, Roberta. No one ever indicated which port William Hahn landed in. I assumed Ellis Island, but never could find him on their lists. When I found his naturalization document, I realized it would have been before E.I. opened.

I have learned that a lot of German immigrants came through New Orleans, which makes sense because he ended up in Pensacola, Florida, but so far, I haven't found him on any ship manifests through there or through New York.

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