Re-disconnect Margaret Brandon?

Question

The conclusion of this G2G I think was she was disconnected, however a recent merge I think reconnected her to her supposed royal/mc linage.

I didn't notice any new evidence so I assume she'll need to be disconnected again?

Comments

Waters, Henry F., "Genealogical Gleanings in England: Manning Family,"
NEHGR 51:3 (Jul 1897), p. 403, citing Hasted's "History of Kent" vol. 1,
 p. 141, states, "Hugh Manning, who was of St. Mary Cray, married the
 daughter of Sir William Brandon, Knight, kinswoman to Charles, Duke of
Suffolk, by whom he had two sons... John and Richard."
 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brandon_(died_1491)

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https://books.google.com/books?id=caNCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1337&lpg=PA1337&dq=margaret+brandon+hugh+manning&source=bl&ots=Nqnk7agzXR&sig=0ZnK7dO1XRj7rOsfd5B9R1q_7CE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCxbWfk8PWAhVFLyYKHWIwBvg4ChDoAQhRMAs#v=onepage&q=margaret%20brandon%20hugh%20manning&f=false

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https://books.google.com/books?id=zNxsv5Ul_9wC&pg=PA403&lpg=PA403&dq=margaret+brandon+hugh+manning&source=bl&ots=0jWzTXTYom&sig=ijlRcR1C34bjxugybe2em1m5UdE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCxbWfk8PWAhVFLyYKHWIwBvg4ChDoAQhZMA4#v=onepage&q=margaret%20brandon%20hugh%20manning&f=false

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Please read the previous G2G. The conclusion was John Manning was disconnected from Margaret.

16:28: John Schmeeckle removed Margaret (Brandon) Manning as the mother from John Manning. [Thank John for this]

16:28: John Schmeeckle edited the Biography for John Manning. (disputed mother -- will detach) [Thank John for this]

The new connection must have happened with one of these merges: Manning-815 into Manning-43, or Brandon-862 into Brandon-236 (I think the latter...)

 

 

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I'm not arguing your position. I simply put up other sources that some might find of interest. There have been profiles that underwent change and then later research and discussion caused new changes or restoration of original data. Genealogy is a jigsaw puzzle. All the smooth regular sides aren't necessarily the border. ;-)

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In this case more old sources isn't really helpful since someone else has done the research. I'll repost the quote from Threlfall, p. 17 from the Answer which lead to the original decision: "Hugh Manning ... The Visitation pedigree of the Manning family has him married to the aunt of Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk, that is, a daughter of Sir William Brandon.  No documentary evidence of this marriage or any relationship can be found.  Probably there was some more remote relationship that gave rise to the legend.  If true, she would have to have been one of the two Margarets, daughters of Sir William and Elizabeth (Wingfield) Brandon, and there would have been a royal lineage through the Wingfields."

Answer 1

Just do it.  It has already been discussed, researched and decided.

If anyone ever wishes to reconnect it is on them to provide primary documentary evidence which contradicts the modern research by Threlfall.

Comments

I went ahead and disconnected her. I also noticed a couple of other errors in the tree.

Answer 2

Here are two cents from a complete Beotian: stronger warnings on the profiles of Hugh Manning's sons, as well as on Hugh Manning himself, could help understanding the situation. There is also no information about the disputed connection on Margaret's profile.

I hope I don't sound... well, unpleasant. I've received the same kind of advice over & over again when complaining that profiles for fictive people had been reconnected.

Why not PPP Hugh Manning's sons? Because otherwise, next time there is a merge, there will be a mother reconnected, it's just too tempting to add one generation, especially when it doesn't say it should not be done.

Comments

I keep wondering why William Brandon and Elizabeth Wingfield had two daughters named Margaret, which is a red flag. I get the feeling that this connection was fabricated by a professional for the Manning family as part of their quest for arms and/or status. Some histories describe her as a "kinswoman" of the duke but right now she's his aunt, which you would think would be significant. To have the Mannings have a line to the Plantagenents Margaret needs to be the da. of Elizabeth Wingfield & I think this is how a 2nd Margaret was born.

I put a few more notes out there and there's a lot of other questionable stuff in this tree. I'm going to move on...