bio needs changing for Joyce Botetourt Burnell

Question

The bio for Botetourt-22 needs editing of the first para.

Although she is placed as the daughter of John Botetourt and Maud Grey (which fits with Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry and the ipm of Hugh Zouche d 1399 whose heir she was, being heir of his aunt's only son), this part of her bio says she is the daughter of John Botetourt "son of John Buttetourt whose mother was Joan Buttetort of Weolegh" and his wife Joyce. This appears to be a confusion with Botetourt-1, her aunt Joyce Botetourt (who was one of the younger Joyce's heirs in her ipm of 1407). Maybe this paragraph with its citations could be moved to its appropriate place under the elder Joyce and a new one written giving her mother as Maud Grey?

Comments

I'd like to research this a little more (I have run out of time atm).  What is in Richardson does not match what is in the Pedigree of the Plea Rolls or in Complete Peerage.

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My guess would be that the case report said Joyce daughter of John son of John and Joyce, and Wrottesley miscopied "John son of John" as just "John".  No photocopies then - people just had to go to the PRO and copy the rolls, or translate on the fly, and then work from what they took home.

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Complete peerage does have her as dau. of John dvp 1369 son of John d 1385 (Bass-Canning p 234). So the only dissenting voice seems to be Pedigrees from the plea rolls which implies that Isabel Segrave was Joyce Burnell's grandmother. Richardson has her as sister to the other Joyce, i.e. a Botetourt by birth, and Joyce Burnell's aunt. Can it be determined who Isabel was and if any such person married a John Botetourt? So far the pedigrees I've seen have  Thomas=Joan, John=Joyce, John=Maud. 

e.g. see Antiquities of Warwickshire

[https://tinyurl.com/ybhnrwmb]

[https://tinyurl.com/ycehgnbz]

 

ipm of Hugh [http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-18-part-i]

ipm of Joyce (younger) [http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-19-part-iii]

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Isabel is here with some property transactions mentioned

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/blount-sir-thomas-1400

 

Answer 1

I started the cleanup.  I ran out of time again.  I will get back to it later.

Comments

thanks, Joe, much appreciated