Amatoya Moytoy profile needs Native American Project Protection and monitoring [closed]

Question

This profile is repeatedly the subject of mis-attached parents.  They get detached, then re-attached. The last person who attached the (non-existent) father no longer has an account on wikitree.

The Native American project needs to

a) protect this profile

b) add a project account as either profile manager or trusted list, so it can watch for future challenges to this profile.

Thank you.

Answer 1

After trawling through records, documents, journals and any other contemporary sources we can find no mention of a parent of Moytoy of Tellico d. 1741. This profile (Motyoy I) seems to represent a mythical person. His wife is equally unknown and appears to be a fabrication. None of the profiles listed as his children can be confirmed.

Tistoe may possibly be Tathtowe of Keowee, one of the Cherokee Chiefs sent to London with Attacullaculla.

Oukah-Ulah was also a London traveller. There is no known family relationship with Moytoy.

Nanye-hi is, according to her profile, the mother of Attacullaculla. This is not correct. His parentage is unknown and it is possible that he was captured as an infant and was an adopted member of the tribe. There is no record of a Nanye-hi.

Raven White Owl is possible meant to be Attacullaculla, he was also known as White Owl. There is nothing to link this profile to Moytoy-1.

Kanagatogo is Old Hop. There is no reason to believe that he was the brother of Moytoy.

Moytoy of Tellico (Moytoy-12) is the first Moytoy found in any records beginning in 1730. His family, wife, and ancestors are not mentioned anywhere. There is no reason to believe that his father was also Moytoy. His mother is equally unknown.

The profile for Elizabeth Moytoy Hughes pretty much speaks for itself. She was born in 1726, long after her mythical father was dead.

I would like to detach the children from these mythical parents and indicate on their profiles that they are disproven.

Any objections?

Answer 2

There are no known children of Motoy. His descendants are unknown, yet wikitree is rife with them. I have adopted and merged away dozens of fake Moytoys. These Moytoys are also erroneously put into a Powhatan category, which I am working to remove. There is so many profiles that we almost need a reset button to undo all the damage. It would be helpful if we could come to some consensus on what to use for a LNAB for these people. My suggestion is to use the name of their tribe, but no one seems to want to make a decision.  This leads to multiple profiles for fake people and its hard to keep up with them all. I'm not sure what the solution is but thanks for raising the issue.

Comments

Before the arrival of missionaries to the Cherokee about 1798, the only records that include any mention of a Cherokee familial connection are the occasional reference in a historical document to a man as the brother, son, or nephew of another man.  A handful of white men (Grant, Adair, Bonnefoy, Cumming, and Timberlake), who stayed with the Cherokee between 1725 and 1765 for times ranging from weeks to years, wrote about their experiences.  Not one identifies a woman or a child (including their own families) by name. Genealogical information prior to the Revolutionary War simply does not exist.   As with white records, early Cherokee records, rolls, and censuses only list the head of a household by name.

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I’ve seen one exception. A man named Strach(n?)ey documented his encounters with the early Native Americans in Virginia in I think 1612 or so. He included names but mostly of males in leadership positions. I think he named the known (at the time) wives of Powhatan. And he named relationships in many cases. He is the only contemporary source for the existence of an earlier husband for Pocahontas.

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That's correct (although a lot of those early writers weren't overly-concerned with accuracy), and there may well be better information on tribes that lived in close proximity to the English settlers.  The Cherokee were a remote tribe and there was very little interaction with whites. The first English men to reach a Cherokee town arrived there in 1673 and for the next 50 years there were only a handful of traders who ventured into the Cherokee Nation.  Cherokee delegations did travel to Virginia and South Carolina, but unless a man was the spokesperson or signed a treaty, even their names weren't recorded.