Is Eleanora Korn the same person as Laura Herbst?

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By Laura (Herbst-606), I mean the daughter of John (Herbst-609) and Laura (Moeller-457)  from the History of Allegheny County (excerpt is in all these profiles).  She married Henry Korn.

My evidence why they are the same person:  From this excerpt, same location, McKees Rocks, PA (which wasn't heavily populated at the time).  John and Laura's offspring from this excerpt: Michael, John, Jacob, Matthew, Laura, Maggie (wife of Otto Bittner), Mary and Barbara.

John and Eleanora's offspring from the 1900 census: Matthew and Barbara.

One more tie (such as an earlier census with Michael, John, Laura and siblings) would probably pull this all together.  No luck so far, but I'm on the lookout.  What is interesting is that it appears a semi-significant road in McKees Rocks might be named after him.

Edit: some more information found:  1880 Census Lizzie and Michael Herpst (spelling off) had a daughter Laura, and lived with Joseph Heiser:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bsurname%3Aherpst%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1800-1879~%20%2Bresidence_place%3Apennsylvania%20%2Bresidence_year%3A1860-1950~%20%2Brecord_type%3A(3)

1920 Census for Michael and Elizabeth - see comments to the first answer.

And another which is very closely tied to the book ,1880 census: https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25156-49086-24?cc=1417683

I think I'm still missing: something with Eleonora on it that shows these same children to some extent.

 

WikiTree profile: Eleanora Korn
in Genealogy Help by Anonymous Nagel G2G6 Mach 2 (23.7k points)
edited by Anonymous Nagel

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Well, I think I found my answer, and it is another publication, The Genealogical and Personal Record of Western Pennsylvania by Jordan.  Same info as the previous reference noted, but with way more detail and the correct names.  Check the profiles in the near future if of interest.
by Anonymous Nagel G2G6 Mach 2 (23.7k points)
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Have you considered the possibility that John might have married twice. I would be looking for a death for Laura and subsequent relationship with Eleanora. I have several situations on censuses where the children from a first marriage appear later in the household of their father and his new wife. Anyone not realising that the English census only shows the relationship to the head of the household could easily make the mistake of thinking that the second wife is their mother. Presumably similar mistakes could be made in reading a US census.
by Lynda Crackett G2G6 Pilot (627k points)

I have not considered that, but yes, I agree that may be a possibility.  What is throwing me off on that is that I have a marriage record and later census records that indicate that Eleanora (Herbst-606) was married to Henry Korn in 1899 and was born in 1863, which matches up with the timeline of the "History of Allegheny County".  I did find a follow up census for Michael that matches him with Elizabeth, but the children from the book are completely different. 

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amichael~%20%2Bsurname%3Aherbst%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1800-1870~%20%2Bresidence_place%3Apennsylvania%20%2Bresidence_year%3A1860-1950~

That said, these children appear to be born after that book was written.  Looking for the final link where some of either John's children or Michael's children match up between the census and the book.  Already have the Barbara and Matthew evidence.

Another thing that might be in the mix from the book:

"He married, Jan. 15, 1878, Elizabeth, daughter of Ralph and Mary Heiser, of this county, and their children are Laura, Joseph, Jacob, Mary and Bartholomew. "

Are Laura, Joseph, Jacob, Mary and Bartholemew the children of Michael and Elizabeth or the children of Ralph and Mary?  I think the answer is Michael and Elizabeth, but you can't tell for sure.

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