Inline reference used more than once

Question

Broussard-202 was recently presented as an example of a great WikiTree profile. I notice that the bio makes use of multiple reference to the same source. Since the profile is protected; we can't see how this was done!

The Help:Sources page has example that uses reference tag; but only uses a single tag!

Can anyone share an example of multiple reference to the same source on a non-protected profile? I'm *really* hoping that the entire source is not repeated each time!!

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Here's the copy/paste text I use to create repeat citations:

<ref name="NAME">[URL '''TITLE''']</ref>
<ref name="NAME"/>

You replace the words in "all caps" with the appropriate text from the related source. For NAME, you give the citation a name; URL is the webpage, if your source is online; TITLE is the source's title, a title you choose to give it, or the full citation.

You use the top line of text once; then use the bottom line for each additional reference to your source. Remember to copy/paste the NAME from the top line to the NAME for the bottom line!

Feel free to add this quick text to your toolbox, everyone!!

edit: Check Rickey-34 to see how I've used repeat citations in parts of the biography.

edit 2: If you use the full citation in your inline citations, you will probably want to remove the apostrophes for bold text for TITLE!!

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?  I looked at the Rickey 34 profile - why double citations?  You could dump the "inline citation" for one citation list and it would be easier to follow.  As it is now, you have two "4" citations that are for different things.  If this was a bio that had 50 citations, and there were two "26" - how would I know where to find the long text if inline 26 = long text, say 45?

The solution you give (and an example to show how it works) is spot on - I'm going to use this ref name= from now on.  Just without duplicate references! :-p

thanks!

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That's just my personal preference, SJ.

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I use short citations for the inline citations because I find it easier to edit the biography without the excess text.

I list all the relevant citations from FamilySearch (currently the main site I use for sourcing) in a separate numbered list so I can tell when new sources have been added to the FamilySearch profile.

The numbering of the inline citations is separate from the numbering of the FamilySearch citations since they are 2 separate lists. That is why I use separate headings for the 2 lists. And the inline numbering only relates to the Inline Citations list.

If the viewer want to find the associated long-text citation, he/she can match the information from the short-text citation to the long-text citation (which may listed under another heading, Other Resources).

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I expect everyone to "step up his/her game" whenever he/she visits a profile that I have edited!!

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Fair enough, I guess I just profiles more simple.

Answer 1

Use the same citation multiple times:

In the first <ref> add to it so it says <ref name=xtitlex>. Subsequent use of the source is then <ref name=xtitlex />

"xtitlex" above is just letters representing whatever you want to title it

Here is a profile that you can see it on edit screen  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gallion-79

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Took me a while to figure out what you did there.

If anyone wants an example of a repeat reference to a source that isn't linked to a free space profile/category or hyperlink, you can look at this one: Ingrid Herling.

Hands down, this is the way to go for multiple references.  In a perfect world we would have "Ibid" and the author name + pages for same book but different pages but if you do that here, and someone comes and inserts a source between your sources, your Ibid refers to the wrong reference.

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I deselected it as best answer because the answer is wrong. Lindy Jones above gave the correct answer

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Louis - This is exactly how I and many others have done this on several profiles and it works perfectly every time. If you have another way of using a reference multiple times, that is great, but why state that this simple explanation of the method is wrong?

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Lindy Jones may have given the best correct "comment," but she didn't submit an answer.

Patricia's answer is correct.

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Patricia's answer is wrong. Please read about the official approved WikiTree tags here

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Patricia wrote:

Use the same citation multiple times:

In the first <ref> add to it so it says <ref name=xtitlex>. Subsequent use of the source is then <ref name=xtitlex />

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Sources#Advanced_Sourcing says:

<ref name="birth certificate">Birth Certificate of George Russell Beebe, Registration 398-5554-428 (1920), Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services - Bureau of Vital Records, Personal copy in the files of [[Beebe-655|Barbara Beebe]]</ref>
In all following references you can just use this:

<ref name="birth certificate" />

They appear to be the same to me.  If you're seeing something I don't see, please let me know.  Thanks.

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PHP evaluates things in double quotes then renders it but not when no quotes are used. You got lucky that stuff worked, however it would be anybody's guess as to how long your luck is going to last.

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"Hands down, this is the way to go for multiple references.  In a perfect world we would have "Ibid" and the author name + pages for same book but different pages but if you do that here, and someone comes and inserts a source between your sources, your Ibid refers to the wrong reference."

Few styles use 'ibid' or 'op.cit' anymore, they just give a full ref the first time and a shorter one afterwards.

(Straight from  the MHRA style guide)

Tom McArthur, Worlds of Reference: Lexicography, Learning and Language from the Clay Tablet to the Computer (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1986), p. 59. 

on the first occasion and on the next.

McArthur, Worlds of Reference, p. 9. 

I find it works fine like this and it  will do as long as someone doesn't come along and reference the same work earlier in the bio or change the order of the text..That hasn't so far happened to anything I have written.

Personally, I find the 1.1, 1.2.,1.3 type references confusing to read.  However,  I also admit that though I can just about cope with <ref> </ref>, I would probably be more adept with  the clay tablet  than any more advanced html.  The use of multiple different methods makes it very much more difficult for me and i suspect others who lack confidence  to edit profiles that use more 'advanced' methods.

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Hi Helen. When double quotes are used, you can place that reference anywhere on the page as long as it is above <references/>. Guaranteed not  to break even if people move your stuff around. That is the difference when there is a simple top to bottom (lucky) roll over( no double quotes used) and when stuff gets parsed and rendered.

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"PHP evaluates things in double quotes then renders it but not when no quotes are used. You got lucky that stuff worked, however it would be anybody's guess as to how long your luck is going to last."

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Genealogy falls under the category of history (Chicago or MLA), not humanities.

As for "ibid," my point was that it would be nice to be able to modify the repeat of the quote wherein you could have a reference of ibid or a x as you wrote instead of the full citation.

But, the full citation is what we have.  Patricia's answer is pretty much a copy and paste from the Wikitree advanced sourcing instructions.

I'm not really sure what all this other conversation is about.

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I think pretty much as opposed to correct are two different things.

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In response to your point; history is very much a humanities subject .
 (Chicago and MHRA referencing,though not complete identical,  are very similar, one from the US, the other from the UK. )

Answer 2

Then, if you want to cite a source, but reference different pages, you can use the <span> tags.  This is especially useful for a genealogy or military reference that mentions a person in several places within the book.

=== Sources ===

<references />

* <span id=NAME></span>author.  Title of Book. publishing info, etc.

Then for the inline reference you would type:<ref>[[#NAME|What you want to appear in the list]], page 4.</ref>

Here is an example where I used both types of references:

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Hutzler-66&public=1

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But why do multiple citations display for the same pages (8 and 9)? Shouldn't all page 8 references appear as a single citation; ditto for page 9?

Is that the correct display for citations created from the span tags? It seems to defeat the purpose of repeated citations!

(edited)

Answer 3

I often have profiles with over 50 different citations.  These are often associated with Swedish Church Books which initially came from a pay source, ArkivDigital, and which I have duplicated with links from a Swedish Government source.  To keep them neat and usefull i begin each citation with [[#Name|Name]], Name=AD for ArkivDigital, and link it to a single reference to where someone can find more information. To see how this works I give two examples:

• Albertina (Carlsdotter) Johnson (1849 - 1933)

• Henrik (Pehrsson) Westermansson (1805 - 1869)