Would someone with Ancestry subscription please translate these sources?

Question

I'm working on the profile for Henry Knowles, but I do not have a subscription to Ancestry.com.  I have a question about the Ancestry links.

For instance, some of them apparently (in the url) say they are "trees" but are linked to Passenger and Immigration Lists.  ??

Question:  which of these links are valid, and which are appropriate for a pre-1700 profile?

Should they be included in a "See also" sources section?  or not at all?

Thank you in advance!

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Cynthia, do you have access to American Ancestors? Anderson questions whether Henry was the same man who came in 1635. Then recommends the NEHGR article 87:359 as a solid treatment of Henry.

Answer 1

All of the Ancestry links took me to the 'no longer available' page

Comments

I was able to fix them. They all point to the correct page now.

Answer 2

I have added a "See Also" tag to the profile of Henry Knowles, click on the link, it should take you to the attached records for one of the trees for Henry in Ancestry.

Answer 3

IMHO, the following should not be "Sources." The data is just an unsourced collection of information from family trees, pedigree charts, etc.

Ancestral File
Ancestry Family Trees
Family Data Collection
U.S and International Marriage Records
Millennium File

The American Genealogical-Biographical Index link references: "Directory of the anc. heads of New England fams. Comp. By Frank R. Holmes. NewYork, 1923. (274p.):142." (The reference references Vol 98, page 176. I wasn't able to verify the reference to the reference. The book is available on www.archive.org but there's currently a wait to borrow it.

Probably should just delete the http://www.kknfa.org... PDF.  That appears to be a dead link. Actually couldn't find any info on the site www.kknfa.org itself. Looks like maybe an old link which may have been for the Knowles/Knoles/Noles Family Association (KKNFA).

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Completely agree! Bruce. I ignore those five references. Find A Grave is shaky with me, too. I want to see the source then I'll go track it down.

Answer 4

Cynthia, I have a subscription to americanancestors.org (New England Historic and Genealogical Society database.) Avoid anything "in a tree" on Ancestor and go to the actual source.

I have the 1630-1633 Volumes of "The Great Migration Begins," But he's not in that group. I also have the Great Migration Newsletters Vols 1-20 and will look for him in there.

Annie, thanks for the direction to the NEHGR article. I can download that for Cynthia and send it to her.

Probably be easier to send you the information by email, if you don't mind. On Ancestry my user id: georgiagenealogist

Wikitree: English_1710

best email: victoria.english@gmail.com

Let me know!

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Thank you all!  I appreciate everyone's comments, and yes, Anne and Victoria, I do subscribe to AmericanAncestors.org - would not attempt this without it (my personal plug).

I'm still working on a new biography, including Anderson's comments disputing the identification of Henry Knowles-1188 as identical with the man who sailed aboard the Susan & Ellen in 1635.  (probably should remove the PGM template ?)

Maybe we need another profile for the passenger aboard the Susan & Ellen?  Are we going to follow Anderson on this?  (would like a consensus)

Also, it seems there is no evidence for the name of Henry's wife.  Savage writes that Henry "had, I suppose, married a daughter of Robert Potter of Warwick."  Savage does not disclose his reason for the supposition, and no other researchers (that I have seen) follow him on this.

So, unless someone has evidence for the wife's name, I suggest we create an Unknown Unknown profile as wife and mother of the children.

About the Ancestry sources, Rick, thank you for taking the time to link them.  However, I hesitate to include them, as sources with Uncertain information (and in this case, disputed and/or unsupported).  The suggestion was (previously ? cannot seem to find it today) that in pre-1700 profiles, we should remove user-contributed, if there is a better source cited.  Are we still doing that?

Thank you again to each and every one of you - and in advance for your thoughts and ideas on my additional questions.

22 Nov 2017 edit: typo

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Update:

New bio added.  Father disconnected with note and link.

Created a new wife, Unknown Unknown.  Two merges proposed.

Susanna (Potter) is an unmerged match.  The issue is the identity of her father, Robert Potter-1469.  Any help with that would be much appreciated.

Rick, thank you for finding the correct Ancestry links.  However, in the end, I left them out.  There was info in conflict with newer, published peer-reviewed journal articles (for example, some follow Savage).  Of course, if you feel any of them are appropriate and contributory ... up to you.  Thanks again for your help.

Did not create another Henry Knowles to represent the 1635 passenger aboard the Susan & Ellen.  We might want to use an existing profile for that, if it is warranted.  Any thoughts about that?

Thank you in advance!

 

Answer 5

I am on Ancestry and go directly to the source.  I did use the immigration passenger lists when I could absolutely be sure it fit the criteria of my ancestor.  Always used more than one source. hope this helps.