Need information on the wife of William Alexander, 4th Baron.

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http://landedfamilies.blogspot.ca/2013/10/80-alexander-of-menstrie-earls-of.html states that William Alexander, 4th Baron Menstrie, was married to Elizabeth Coutts aka Couttie, the daughter of Alan Coutts, but provides no more information on her.  Does someone have documented evidence on this Elizabeth and add her to him as his spouse and the mother of his children.

William Alexander's will list Alan Coutts as Alane Cutis if that be any assistance to anyone.
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in Genealogy Help by David Hughey G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

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I have found a mention on the website of archives.org within the book of memorials of the earl of stirling.   https://archive.org/details/memorialsearlst00unkngoog page 11 about 2/3rds of the way down. It mentions a spouse of William Alexander to be Jonet Merschell.

I don't know if this is the correct William Alexander, but he is an heir of Alexander Alexander.

I hope this helps to shed some light somewhere :)
by Wendy Sullivan G2G6 Pilot (144k points)
Thanks for the link.

Alexander's grandfather was also called Alexander, and his son William married Janet Marshall.

Alexander the grandson's son William is on page 19, and it goes straight to his kids without mentioning a wife.

William's son Alexander d 1580/1 married a Marion, and she was the mother of the 1st Earl.  The blog says Marion was a Graham.  The Memorials book says Marion was Alan Coutts's daughter, page 29. Oo-er, getting messy.

Wikipedia says the Earl's mother was Marion Coutts.  They got it from DNB, who probably got it from the Memorials book.

My money's on the blog at this point.  It's a very well researched blog and usually avoids the traps.
I see now this is all discussed in Scots Peerage
I am glad you sorted out that tangle. to be honest I was getting a little confused with all the William. and Alexander Alexander references.:)
There should be laws about baby names.  We must be thankful the Stuarts didn't start calling their kids Stuart.
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The Scots Peerage, vol. 8, p. 168 has William's wife as Elizabeth daughter of Alan Coutts, Cutes or Couttie, based on the will of Alexander Alexander, William's eldest son, who names his guidschir (translated as grandfather) as Alane Cutes or Cutis.

The Memorials of the Earl of Stirling does have the will in full, and you can see the reference to Alane Cutis five lines from the bottom on page 27 but as stated in The Scots Peerage, the author of the Memorials interprets this as father-in-law, and has Alexander's wife as Marion daughter of Allan Couttie, even though the will back at the top of page 27 mentions Marion Graham as his spouse.

(The Memorials book actually has quite a few differences with The Scots Peerage, so it may not be very reliable.)

It is thought that Elizabeth is the daughter of Alan Coutts and his wife Marjorie Walwod, and the document that confirms Marjorie is Alan's wife, dated to 19 Oct 1555 also mentions William Alexander, but my latin isn't very good, so I'm not sure in what capacity.  See here document no. 1005.

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (437k points)
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There's this on the Couttses

https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalmem01rogegoog#page/n30/

But it doesn't marry Elizabeth to William Alexander.  Oo-er again

 

by RJ Horace G2G6 Pilot (563k points)
And over the page it seems to marry Mariota Welwood to the son Alan, not the father Alan?  Though the document I've referred to is dated to 1555?  Unless Mariota is a different person from Marjorie Welwod/Welwood?
I was confused.  I was looking at Alan jr's daughter Elizabeth.  It doesn't mention Alan sr's daughters.

It doesn't explicitly say who Alan sr's father was, though it seems to imply that Alan was Alexander's heir.  (Seen that trick before)

But were there really two Alans?

If there were, and the Elizabeth who married the 1st Earl's grandfather was a daughter of Alan sr, and Alan jr married Walwood, we're missing Elizabeth's mother.

Some websites give Elizabeth a sister Helen who married Richard Preston, but Rogers makes her a daughter of Blaise jr, page 33.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coutts-377

 

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We can’t assume that there is only one wife or husband. Nor can we assume that there is only one Elizabeth, Catherine, Marion, John, Alexander or William etc...in any Scottish family through the centuries.
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