Who were the parents of PGM immigrant Thomas Hicks?

Question

Harriet Woodbury Hodge, in ‘’Hicks (Hix) Families of Rehoboth & Swansea, Mass., 1640-1850’’ (1976), LDS #1036844, pp 5-7; 9-10, reviewed land deeds, probate records, vital records and found no evidence of his English ancestry, parents or brother-relationship to Robert Hicks of Plymouth.

Several years ago, based on this data, I detached the parents but someone came along the following year or so and reattached them. 

Has there been something published since 1976 that updates Hodges findings? Or should we re-detach the parents and project-protect the profile?

 

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Jillaine look at History of Scituate 283/4 https://archive.org/stream/historyscituate01deangoog#page/n292/mode/2up It has to do with brother Robert and origins. I didn't want to think hard enough to analyze it

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The 1976 work cited above debunks the relationship between Thomas and Robert.

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Good, then neither of us has to analyze it.

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Hi Jillaine, I'm going through some of the G2G questions. Parents are still attached. Do you want to detach?

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will do. Thanks for catching up on old-ish g2g threads and finding what still needs to be done.

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I've also PPPed and added PGM as PM.

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Could anyone explain to me how this debunks the relationship between Thomas and Robert? I'm new at this and not entirely sure how this works. Thanks in advance!

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Lisa, as the opening post says, 

"Harriet Woodbury Hodge, in ‘’Hicks (Hix) Families of Rehoboth & Swansea, Mass., 1640-1850’’ (1976), LDS #1036844, pp 5-7; 9-10, reviewed land deeds, probate records, vital records and found no evidence of his [Thomas'] English ancestry, parents or brother-relationship to Robert Hicks of Plymouth."

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Okay thank you, I misunderstood and thought the debunking was related to the link provided that states Thomas was the probable brother of Robert.

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What link are you referring to? The article I cite does indicate that there is no evidence yet found to link Robert and Thomas as brothers.

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Sorry, it's in the reply provided by Anne B. to the History of Scituate. Please forgive my ignorance, I'm new to the site. Have a great weekend!

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Lisa, welcome to Wikitree. Let us know if there's anything we can do to ease your introduction into it. It's a different kind of beast than all other genealogy sites. Takes a bit of getting used to.

Answer 1

He is not mentioned in Martin Hollick's New Englanders in the 1600s. So I doubt there has been any new information printed about Thomas. 

Comments

My husband is a direct descendant of Thomas Hicks. He has taken an Ancestry DNA test. Would the raw data from that test show his Y-Chromosome and see how it links to the other Hicks' in Bristol County Mass/RI, or would he need to take a different test? Thank you in advance

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HIcks DNA project is here

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/HICKS?iframe=yresults

One person claiming descent from Ellis Hicks (b 1411), and one from an earlier Sir John Hicks, 13th century.

None that I can see tracing back to Robert Hicks of the Fortune.

One claiming Thomas Hicks, unusual group.  And a close match claimed by a descendant of a later Canadian immigrant.

Without knowing how sound those people's paper trails are, looks like no DNA result would confirm anything much at present.

 

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There was no Ellis Hicks b 1411 (or 1315, per some); there was an Ellis Hicks, son of William Hicks, scrivener of London, born 1600, knighted in 1635. He had no progeny.  For the messy details, see:

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/617264/did-sir-ellis-hicks-exist

which is summarized under Research Notes on:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hicks-443

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Hello Lisa,

My husband is also a descendant of immigrant Thomas Hicks, through Thomas' son, Daniel. My son had Y-DNA testing at Family Tree DNA, and, so far, his only close Hicks match is to a descendant of a Joseph Hicks who went to Canada. It would be very interesting to see if your husband and my son are Y-DNA matches, since it would confirm or disprove shared paternal-line ancestry. I would like to encourage other direct paternal-line descendants of Thomas Hicks to get tested as well!

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Hello, RJ Horace -  I can shed some light on the "unusual group" claiming descent from Thomas Hicks in the Hicks/Hix Surname (Y-DNA) Project at FTDNA. You are correct that without a sound paper trail, the data is not very useful.

My son is the tested individual who descends from Thomas Hicks. This is through his son, Daniel...to the Hickes of Rehoboth, MA...Ephraim Sr., Ephraim Jr., Moses, to Simeon.  From Simeon, there is abundant circumstantial evidence of son, Daniel (c. 1780-1832), who died in Arlington, Vermont, as did Simeon. The renowned Hicks researcher, Veldon Hix, corresponded with me and believes there was some co-mingling of households in census records for Daniel and a confirmed son of Simeon.

This Daniel Hicks (son of Simeon) & wife, Sally Z. Tinkham, had a son, Robert Emmett Hicks whose marriage record confirms both parents names. The next generation is Edmund Douglas Hicks (1856-1934) who appears with his family in census records. There is no disputing as the next generation is another Robert Emmett, and then my father-in-law was born. From there, we're pretty confident on up to my son's birth. :-)

Interestingly, the closest Y-DNA match to my son claims descent from a Joseph Hicks who was in Canada. As this family continues research, they now think their Joseph Hicks is a descendant of a Thomas Hicks who was in Rhode Island after immigration, quite different from the tree for our Hickses.  The Y-DNA matching level suggests that my son and his match share a common ancestor who lived about 400 years ago, which takes us to the 1600s.  Either they share the same immigrant ancestor or those immigrant ancestors likely have the same father, same grandfather, or same great grandfather.

If enough other Hicks descendants with a paper trail were to get good-resolution testing, we would eventually be able to sort them out, and perhaps even confirm a paternal ancestral line for some with no paper trail. Small differences may point to one branch or another.  It would be great if other Hickses with researched paternal lines were to get tested in order to begin establishing DNA signatures for the various branches of Hickes.