Need help finding Cédulie Laflamme's baptismal act in Quebec parish records [closed]

Question

My great-grandmother Cédulie was the daughter of Laurent Kemner dit Laflamme and Anqélique Nadeau. An exact birth date has never been established for her, aside from the fact that at her death in Nov. 1895 she was 39 -- so about 1856. Her brother Joseph Godfroy Laflamme was born on 8 Mar 1854 in Ste-Marguerite-de-Jolliet, and her brother David was born on 21 Aug 1857 in Ste-Marguerite, so most of 1855 and 1856 are feasible. Secondary sources indicated she was born in Ste-Marguerite. I have found all her siblings there, aside from one who baptised in Armagh in 1861. (Odd in itself since Drouin claims Armagh opened in 1863, but the record is there.)

I have looked manually through Ste-Marguerite for all of 1854-1864. I also looked at Ste-Claire for 1855 and 1856.

Perhaps someone who is more adept at navigating the Quebec parish registers has a suggestion on where I should look next? Although I don't speak French, I have learned to get around the records without an index and can read the dates and of course the names. But I'm currently at a loss!

Comments

Searched Ste-Marguerite from 1847 to 1859 and did not find her.

---

Thanks for being a second pair of eyes and confirming that!! I went through it twice myself, and thought maybe I needed to get my eyes checked!

Answer 1

We have the following children showing up for those parents:

1-Marie Philomène Quimeneur dit Laflamme, b 26 Feb 1847 bapt 27th Ste-Marguerite-de-Jolliet (Dorchester); married Napoléon Audet dit Lapointe 20 Feb 1870 Ste-Hénédine (Dorchester)

2-Joseph Octave Laflamme, b 31 Mar 1849 bapt 1 Apr Ste-Marguerite; died 27 Jul 1849, buried 28th Ste-Marguerite @ 4 months

3-Joseph Octave Laflamme, b 5 Jun 1850 bapt 7 Ste-Claire (Dorchester); died 1 Aug 1850 buried 3 Aug Ste-Marguerite

4-Marie Césarie Laflamme, b 24 Oct 1851 bapt 25 Ste-Marguerite; married Maxime Lapierre 21 Nov 1876 Ste-Marguerite

5-Joseph Godfroy Laflamme, b 8 Mar 1854 bapt 9 Ste-Marguerite

6-David Laflamme,  b & bapt 21 Aug 1857 Ste-Marguerite

7-Joseph Théophile Laflamme, b & bapt 8 Oct 1861 Armagh (origin stated as NOTRE-DAME AUXILIATRICE DE BUCKLAND); there is a duplicate record of this baptism in Buckland.

-Marie Cédulie Laflamme, of age when she marries Charles Laflamme 4 Mar 1878 Ste-Marguerite.  Her birth and baptism are on 28 Nov 1855 in Ste-Hénédine (Dorchester), it reads Marie Ségulie (sic) Laflamme.   https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/5591476  is the Drouin Institute link (paid site).

One reason you could not find her is that her mother's name gets written as all sorts of things which have really nothing to do with Nadeau.  Obviously not present at baptisms.

Comments

Pas facile à trouver... Félicitations !

Free source:

Marie Ségulie née le vingt-six novembre 1855

"Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-899Q-S9SW-Z?cc=1321742&wc=9RLN-3TB%3A24231901%2C24231902%2C24762201 : 16 July 2014), Sainte-Hénédine > Sainte-Hénédine > Index 1852-1876 Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1852-1862 > image 92 of 188; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal.

---

Both of you are AMAZING! It had crossed my mind to check Ste-Henedine -- both her parents died there -- but had not checked yet. I would never have found it in the Drouin index like you did! It's so wonderful to have her name and date of birth now, even if her name is spelled more phonetically than precisely! I am so happy, THANK YOU THANK YOU!!

---

you're welcome, and I'll pass on my trick for finding her, when searching in the Lafrance (Drouin institute database name, also Lafrance makes other programs), search in individuals rather than couples, take the father and search for anything which has him as father, found the baptism of the first Joseph that way, as well as Cédulie's.

You will note that the name Quemmeneur in all its variations gets dropped after the first child, and they do everything with Laflamme, I believe it was around this time period that the government said pick one or the other name, they could not deal with ''dit'' names.  :D

---

Thanks for the suggestions, I am always disappointed when Couples search doesn't yield what I am looking for. I can see why searching for the mother would have gotten me nowhere fast! 

I did not know that about the dit names. Cédulie married a 4th cousin and they all got variations of it -- Charles got Kimler which Drouin indexed as Kimber, his siblings got variations of Guimner, Gimner and Gimnar.. go figure. He very rarely used anything but Laflamme.

Answer 2

Found her parents mariage in St-Gervais, Bellechasse, Québec.

Comments

Yes; both her parents were born in St-Gervais and that's where they married. I'm still filling in my profiles. I simply can't find her baptism. All her siblings were baptised in Ste-Marguerite, except one.

Answer 3

Another source for the Canada Census, 1871

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4395496_00324.jpg

Comments

Ahh! Thank you, much better than the FamilySearch lacking an image.

Answer 4

A free source for the marriage

"Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99S-JNWC?cc=1321742&wc=9RLC-3T5%3A24363801%2C24363802%2C13626703 : 16 July 2014), Sainte-Marguerite > Sainte-Marguerite > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1877-1900 > image 44 of 665; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal.

Comments

Thank you for that! I've been using Drouin because it's easier for lookups, but intending to find the corresponding FamilySearch records to add as sources. You saved me one more search!

Answer 5

Maybe in Armagh, her brother Joseph was born there in 1861: https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/5448458

Note that the baptism records are still being indexed for 1849 to 1861 so she may just turn up somewhere unexpected once all records for that time period are finally done.

Comments

Thank you for that suggestion! Drouin and FamilySearch both have Armagh beginning in 1857, which is a year too late for me, since she had another rother born that year..  but who knows, I'll look through them anyway.

---

MAP of the parishes around  ...

Ste-Marguerite-de-Jolliet (Dorchester)
Opened : 1841

https://www.genealogie.umontreal.ca/en/Carte/1605

---

Thank you! I can now say I've looked at Ste-Marie de Beauce, Ste-Claire and St-Anselme in addition to Ste-Marguerite and later years at Armagh. I still need to check St-Isidore and St-Gervais is a good idea, since Guy pointed out her parents married there, and it's not *too* far away.

Answer 6

Found Marie Césarie birth in 1851...

"Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99Q-QWNN?cc=1321742&wc=9RLJ-FM9%3A24363801%2C24363802%2C24860901 : 16 July 2014), Sainte-Marguerite > Sainte-Marguerite > Index 1840-1876 Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1840-1872 > image 367 of 768; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal.

 

 

Answer 7

Canada Census, 1861

From Line 45 Laurent Laflamme  

What is the name line 50 ? ... age 5 (Sexe Féminin)

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108691_00682.jpg

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108691_00684.jpg  (David, Age 3)

Comments

Line 50 looks to me as...  Delvina

Downloaded image and in very high resolution the first letter is a D similar to others in upper lines.

---

Delvina is what I see also.. how that translates to Cedulie I have no idea, but the child is the right age. Definitely right household.

---

Thank you so much for these! I had struggled to find 1861 in particular so this is great!