Got Venable ancestors? Join the new Venable Surname Project

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Hi,

I just started the Venable one name study and if your interested in the Venable name.  I want your help.  Come join me as we set off on a voyage of discovery.

Jeff Venable

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I think I made it and I’m in now. But please let me know if that’s not so.

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I am descended from Abraham VENABLES, the emigrant from England about 1684. My 5th great-grandfather Capt. John VENABLE, Rev. War veteran, moved to GA in 1791

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Hello cousin! I’m glad more Venable  descendants are joining the study.

I too am a descendent of this ancestor I believe. I usually trace it only back to Nathaniel And the revolutionary war, but I’m pretty sure this is the same ancestor I have back far enough.

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Hi Darrell,

     It definitely sounds like we are cousins.  Could you send me a private message with your e-mail and I will get you signed up for the Venable study.  I can also add you to the sprat Venables study if you like.

Thanks,

Jeff

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How is it going with the Venable project?

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Isabella,

     Things have been stagnant lately.  I haven't spent enough time on it.  I need to change that.  Please make any changes as you see fit.  I would love it if the study would take off even when I am taking a break.

Jeff Venable

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Sometimes it gets just too much, especially when you're still working on your day job :) 

I would like to request that interested individuals genotype the Y Chr of a male Venable in your line. It's not that expensive. 

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna

We need to split the descendants into at least two groups, and go from there. I'm happy to provide more info here - I've done the genotyping on two-three individuals in my 'clan' already.

Thanks

Libby

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I believe that he and I are from slightly different lines although we go back to the same ancestor. I imagine you do also?Hi Libby, I’m a little bit baffled. Are you asking that a man in MY Venable line take the test? Or are you asking that Jeff do it?

I believe that he and I are from slightly different lines although we go back to the same ancestor. I imagine you do also?

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If there are living men in your tree that have the surname Venable, it would be easy to determine which of the sublines your Venable ancestors came from. For example: I present here an anonymized chart of Y-Chr haplogroups. The only two I identify are those that descend from Abraham and those that descend from Thomas (my ancestor). It would be good for all of the current male Venables to find out which group they belong to so we can trace their ancestors.

Haplogroup	Paternal Ancestor Name
E-L117	Non-Venable surname
I-M253	Thos Venable,  1706 England & NJ
I-P37	Other Venable
I-PH5281	Non-Venable surname
J-CTS1192	John Peay c/a 1750
J-M172	Other Venable
R-BY99961	Non-Venable surname
R-M269	Abram Venable 1661 Devonshire, England-1710 VA
R-PF7589	Unknown to me
R-SRY2627	Other Venable
R-Y61048	Other Venable

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Elizabeth,

     I would be happy to take a test for you.  I just don't have the money for it.

Jeff Venable

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Yes, I understand :)  Sometimes they have sales. Maybe around Father's Day. As you can see from my chart, there are several male lineages among the Venables. It is very easy to click-link to Abraham, because he is so well-studied, but we need Bibles and documents to verify. I would like to know how many people who think they are his descendants have original documents. For example, many, many of the Venables in Louisiana are descended from the Thomas 1706 line, not the Abraham line.

There is also a book called "Some Venables of England and America" that is useful to read.

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I know what you mean Jeff. I have always wanted to take one of those tests but it seems a bit expensive. There is always something else I need to do rather than test my DNA. However, my niece Eva US and my daughter Joya Lonsdale have both done so. Also my great nephew Isaiah Simon and his half brother Amir Malik. I haven’t got them in my family tree yet. They are at the sons of my niece Eva and the grandchildren of my brother William. So maybe this information would help?

Obviously my daughter and my niece are not man so that doesn’t really help. But possibly my great-nephews’ DNA would be of some assistance. I could ask them if anybody would like to know

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Hi Elizabeth , I don’t have anyone who has the name Venable in my family at this point, but I know which branch of the Venables I come from. I think it’s the same as your own. I can go and take a look at my family tree.

Unless somebody slept with somebody they shouldn’t have, There is no question but that my family comes down from the Venables. I have many papers and a family Bible and many photographs of the elders of the family up in my third floor study. I’ll try to post some of them at some point.

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Hi Elizabeth, yes I descend from Thomas Venables, And I think you were saying that you do too.https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Venable-120

You are welcome to take a look at my family tree.If you think that it would be helpful to find out what my great nephews DNA says I would be happy to ask them. But are you saying you want a male Venable  to take that specific test? I have no one in my family with the surname Venable & we do come down through a female line so perhaps that is not helpful .

As I said I have many letters and papers of this family upstairs and I will try to post some pictures of them at some point.

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I ran our names through the relationship finder,Jeff. Apparently we are seventh cousins twice removed. You also descend from Thomas Venables.

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Hi Isabella. I put in the Y chromosome data above to show that not all Venables descend from Thomas Venables (Born 1643 in Essex City, Devon, England, etc).  Many current-day male Venables could not be his descendants because they carry entirely different Y chromosomes. There are at least 6 different ones - and I'm not sure of the scientific link of one of the haplotypes (R-M269 in Abraham) to HIM. It is important to have independent data to trace back to one of the known, early ones. Abram (or Abraham) landed in Virginia, and many cite his origins as related to the original "Thomas" - we need to see if they are correct. So if you had any living Venable MEN in your family (they are the only ones with Y chromosomes), you could find out which line you belong to. That's really all I meant. 

I'd like to start the discussion - how do we know original Thomas Venable of Cheshire had an R-M269 Y chromosome? And if he did, who are the other Venables? A LOT is presumed in the literature...  What I'd really like to do is find descendants of the original, French Venable and type one of them! I'd even pay for that. Are there any people in wikitree who specialize in Y chromosome inheritance and genealogy?

Libby

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I see what you’re saying. I’m as  confident  as one can be without DNA that I am Descended from Thomas; Certainly I am from Nathaniel Venable, who founded Hampton Sydney College.
This family is so proud of itself, and values so highly the proof of connection to the people  who founded the USA,  that I think almost every scrap of paper possible is preserved by my grandmother and her forebears. I have it all in a box up in my third-floor study .  I have taken very good care of this collection (as much as I possibly could) but I haven’t looked at it in a long time. I met cousins of mine who also have documents and so on that prove that they go back to the founding fathers.

But I suppose that people coming into the country might occasionally have been given the name Venable. Although it is rather an unusual name to get at Ellis Island it’s possible. There are so many families in the United States and the melting pot melted  so much that it’s probable that some of the Venables are not Venables. Also there are many African-American  people named Venable... Thanks to our slaveholding ancestors. I’d be interested to hear how it comes out and if you find many people to take the test.

Perhaps we should all chip in and buy Jeff one of those DNA test

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I think it is well known that the book “the Venables of Virginia” is not necessarily accurate.

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One more thought. There is a gigantic Venable reunion every year which is on Facebook. Easy to get in touch with them there. They may have more knowledge or information and certainly would have more male Venables to test.

I believe that there’s also a group of Venables in France, Where people are also extremely interested in and proud of their ancestry. They would probably have a lot more information as well. I wonder if it really matters whether we go back to Thomas? If we go back to Nathaniel & Elizabeth, Both Patriots,&  those who began the country that’s pretty good.

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Libby,

This is the Abraham Venable I meant . He does not go back as far as the ones you’re looking for.https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Venable-13

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I would love to go to a large Venable reunion!

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Jeff, it says on your page that you and your dad have both had DNA, so you already might know your Y chromosome haplotype? I’m not sure how they annotate it.

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Elizabeth,

     My dad and my DNA tests' are the autosomal tests.  I don't think it includes the Y chromosome.  I plan on getting it done as soon as I can aford it.
Jeff

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Me. too! I'll look up the info for you on Facebook. You can find it quickly by running a search, if you want, of course!

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The Y chromosome kits are on sale this week. Any man with a VENABLE surname should sign up to be tested for Y Chr DNA because there are a least FOUR different Y chromosomes in the US Venable families!

Save $40 (was $169) Examines 37 short tandem repeats (STRs) on
the Y chromosome.

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna

ENDS APRIL 25

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BTW my niece, Eva, has taken a DNA test that shows her Venable ancestry quite far back. I plan to do so soon.

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I am not sure why it matters to be certain of descent from Thomas Venable if we are descended from Nathaniel (an American patriot) and his wife Elizabeth Woodson (another Patriot). I feel satisfied with my descent from these Revolutionary War ancestors.

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Sorry, Isabella, I missed your comment. I am not advocating your descent from Thomas - you certainly descend from Abraham if you descend from Nathaniel. I'm trying to find out the link between Thomas and Abraham, if any. They have different Y chr, I believe, based on tests of their known descendants, but they have the same surname and both come from England...

Thanks

Libby.

Answer 1

I would love to join! Perhaps you saw my family tree and know my direct connection to the Venable ancestors we share. If not I can send the info or point you in the right direction.

Thanks Cousin!

Isabella Fiske McFarlin

Here’s my line as I recall off top of my head...

Mother- Isabelle Daniel Hall

Grandmother— Isabelle Daniel Jones

GGrandmother— Isabella Venable Daniel

GGG mother— Mary Grace Venable

Her father- Abraham Watkins Venable

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Hi Isabella,

     Thanks for your interest.  Your the first member to join and I don't know how to add you yet.  I'm working on it and hopefully I'll have you added soon.

Thanks,

Jeff Venable

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Ok Isabella,

      I think I just need to have you do a couple of things to join the Venable name study.  First add this bit of Code above the Biography line in the Edit tab of your profile.

[[Category:Venable Name Study]]

      Then go to the Venable name study page and request to be put on the trusted list under the privacy tab.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Venable_Name_Study

Thanks again,

Jeff Venable

 

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HI Jeff,

How do I add the code?

Thanks

Isabella

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Hi Isabella,

     To add the code to your profile just highlight and right click and copy.

[[Category:Venable Name Study]]

Then go into your profile and click the Edit tab.  Go down the page until you see the "Edit Text" box.  Then just above the word Biography is where you want to put you curser.  Then right click again and click past.  This should put the above code in the Edit Text box.  Don't forget to save changes or you will need to do it all again.  I hope this helps.  Let me know if you have problems.

Your distant cousin,

Jeff

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Ok, will give it a try! Thanks Cousin!

Isabella

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Curious as to what you have found about the Venables. I love the photos. The mountain was named after which Venable?

Hope you are well.

Isabella

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Isabella,

     Everything I have is up on the page.  I have been trying to find out who Mt. Venable is named after.  I spent a whole day at the library and didn't get the answer.  I will definintely put the answer on the Venable study page when I find it!

Thanks for your' interest,

Jeff

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I guess the Abraham W Venable is pretty far back, so there are not current male Venables descended directly from him in your family...

Libby

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There may be male descendants of Abraham W, but not in my family. We are descended from his daughter, Mary Grace, and her daughter Isabella.

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One interesting thing though  is that you, Jeff and i are all descended from Thomas! I guess what you are looking for is proof of descent? I wish I could help.

Maybe we could create a fund on WikiTree for people who can’t afford it to have DNA tests.

Answer 2

I would like to join. Peters-9092

Much research on Venables available from me and my tree.

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Oh, I would love to know what you have!
Isabella

Answer 3

Hehe. I read this as “venerable” and thought you were looking for descendants from saints

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I think a lot of people read it that way. I believe it’s a French word having something to do with hunting.I think a lot of people read it that way. I believe it’s a French word having something to do with hunting.

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Jeff:

What I did with my one name study at  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:_Rowley_Name_Study was put in a category Researchers where I have those interested in my study enter [[Category:_Researcher,_Rowley_Name_Study]] in their own profile above Bography. Then I have their profiles all together versus those in the Venable line anyone might enter.

Judy

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Judy,

     Thanks for sharing I might do that too.

Jeff Venable

Answer 5

waving! me too! I am descended from Abraham Venable and Martha Davis,They wer my 6th great grandparents, I  woulld like to join, and have researched the Venable line quite a bit!

wendyb@thegrid.net