what relationships are considered the fourth degree of consanguinity?

Question

The marriage record I am looking at has a note which reads:

Disp.  4 and 4 consang and in banns

 

On one website, I have read that first cousins once removed and half first cousins fit in this category.  

The marriage was in 1874 so I don't think half first cousins is right.

Another website says these are first cousins.  Which one should be my working model?

Comments

So I discovered that they are third cousins sharing a great great grandfather

Answer 1

If they were Catholic, then 4th degree consanguinity meant first cousins, and required dispensation, according to Canon law.  Just came across a similar case, which is giving me the clue to find the parents of one of them, since I have the other one's parents.

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I think he is her great uncle, at this point.

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LOL, my brother had to do research of this type when he got married, turns out my sister-in-law is 3rd cousin to my father.  So my brother and I are also 4th cousins to his children.  :D  Things do get rather convoluted sometimes.

Answer 2

You're in luck WikiTree has its own relationship calculator on the following page.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Relationship

Answer 3

Maureen, this could depend on the country or even the parish-- or at least the faith (Catholic, Protestant, etc.). I'd be surprised if it was universal across ll faiths and geographies.

Answer 4

I'm pretty sure a first cousin is 4th degree (2 back to common ancestor (grandparent) and 2 forward to cousin = 4).

A first cousin once removed would be 5th.

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I should have asked what that note meant.  When I included Catholic and Ireland a completely different group of sites popped up.  The first four means the husband is fourth from the common ancestor and the second four means so is the wife.

 

From 1215 until 1918 Catholics couldn't marry third cousin's.  In 1918, CanonLaw changed it to second.

Thank you though

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In every system I've met that makes it 8th degree.

Answer 5

This article  answers my question since they were Catholic. There is a chart at the bottom of the page.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm

 

and for fun, it includes this bit of information

Affinity from a true marriage is a diriment impediment to the fourth degree of consanguinity of the deceased spouse; according to the ecclesiastical law a widower may not marry any of his deceased wife's blood-relations as far as the fourth degree inclusively, nor a widow her deceased husband's blood-relations. There is a modification if the affinity be one arising from illicit intercourse.

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I have added a free space for this information https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Consanguinity_information&public=1

Answer 6

You will not find a common answer to your question. You will need to refer to each religion individually and possibly even each locality as well as the time frame in history.