German Translation Help Needed

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I was wondering if there was someone that might be able to help me translate this document. It might not be a good enough quality to read. I don't know, but I unfortunately don't read any German and am hoping the information here might give me a clue as to what happened to Joachim Rabe. His son, my husband's ancestor, took his mothers last name... and it would seem he was illegitimate. But, that is all I know. I would truly appreciate any help! Thank you so much! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i_RuJc5Oc2ZUTZnTxcXPKM-i2vohiuWl/view?usp=sharing
WikiTree profile: Joachim Rabe
in Genealogy Help by Sarah Gnewikow G2G2 (2.0k points)

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Yes, Johann Lietz was illegitimate, and the information about his father Joachim Rabe was added later to the churchbook, due to a judicial decision on 23th January 1851, and confirmed in another judicial decision of 4th May 1851.

But more information about him would be found probably in the baptismal registers 1854 child N.5 & in 1855 child N.24. I guess he married later and had at least two children there.

  • [N.] 21

  • [born] Julius 7. Morg. 6 U [6 o'clock in the morning]

  • [baptized?] 12.

  • [father] Joachim Rabe, Gehöftserbe [=heir of a farm] in Spornitz, zufolge eines Rechtserkenntnisses des Großkgl. Amtsgerichts zu Neustadt d. d. 23ten Januar 1851 [=due to a judicial decision of the high kingly local court in Neustadt on 23th January 1851], welches durch einen späteren Rechtsspruch der hohen Justiz zu Schwerin d. 9. Mai 1851 nicht verändert worden. [which wasn't changed due to a later high judicial decision in Schwerin on 9th May 1851]

  • [mother] Maria Dorothea Elisabeth Lietz, Hauswirthstochter  [=daugther of a "Hauswirth", owner of an house, maybe a landlord] /geboren 1833, Jun: 27 in Spornitz/ [=born 27th June 1833 in Spornitz] /Über den Vater vid. Taufbuch [=about the father see: baptismal register] 1854 N.5 & 1855 N.24/ [belongs probably to the column of Joachim Rabe]

  • (probably two columns about the religion of the child?)

  • [child] Johann Joachim David Lietz, unehelich [illegitimate]

  • [godparents] 1. David Hasmuth, Weißgärber [=tawer] in Parchim /war nicht gegenwärtig/ [=wasn't there]; 2. Johann Lüder, Häuslerssohn [=son of a "Häusler", somebody with an own house but not much property; in english maybe called a cottager?] in Spornitz; 3. David Schröder, Altbüdnerssohn [=son of an "Altbüdner", probably somebody without own land property but with some rights for keeping some livestock on community grounds] in Spornitz

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selected by Sarah Gnewikow
Thank you so very much! That is very helpful! I did not realize that those numbers meant he had other children. I was able to find them and one more listed on his third child... I am putting the links here, but I don't know if there is any other info to obtain from them? Some have quite a bit of writing. The first child he had after Johann... doesn't seem to have a name, just some writing and maybe the word for illegitimate?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1htLYBoVTH8wibrOP15d0mrQpAKF2EFT0/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FLtWlxstBlZb5usOgmIbf7e9YaEHPcAB/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tt6doeIcBMlvmEz3uVahR1--ixfzOx5S/view?usp=sharing

Don't feel you have to translate these, but if you have the time to look. Either way, thank you so much for the help you have given! I wish I could read German... and I know this is old script, that they don't use anymore. I really appreciate the help!!

No Problem :) Additional information on his second child:

  • Joachim Heinrich Christian Rabe, born in Spornitz 1831 January 6th.
  • Maria Friederica Dorothea Rogmann, born in Spornitz 1831, September 17th.
  • his second illegitimate child, a stillborn son, born 29th January (1854?), buried the 30th.

His third child has again another mother, maybe a sister or another relative of the mother above?

  • Mother: Wilhelmina Maria Elisabeth Rogmann, born in Spornitz 1835, October 20th.
  • Child: Wilhelmina Dorothea Maria Rogmann (after legitimation then probably Rabe), born 26th November (1855?) illegitimate, but legitimated after the marriage of her parents on February 1th 1856
  • one of the mentioned godparents (n.2) is "Dorothea Lietz, Hebamme"(=midwife), could it be the same person as the mother of his first child?

His fourth child (its mentioned as his first legitimate child and as second and last child of this marriage) - and has interestingly the same name combination as the the mother of his second (stillborn) child. But she 

  • Marie Friedrike Dorothea (Rabe) born 21th February (1865?)
Thank you again!! I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this! I have been stuck on Joachim for forever it seems. :) I have now found records for his parents, his birth and baptizmal, etc. Thank you!

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