Who is the mother of Anna Heacox Thurman

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I am a very high confidence match to the grandaugher of Anna Thurman-1211. 57 centimorgans shared across 3 DNA segments. Heacox and I are predicted to be 4th-6th cousins.

Family Search LC33-XPW for Anna Thurman stated that the mother was Rachel Ann Thurman 2DXR-NY7.

This raises a warning flag in that the child's surname is the same as the mother's maiden name.

Further research of Rachel shows that:

::On the 1900 Census Rachel appears at her parents house with no Anna.

::On the 1910 Census Rachel is still living with her father and reports have no children (living or dead)

But, Rachel's gg grandparents Dettero-3 Johannes Totherow and Hoffman-3185 Mary Best Hoffman are also my fifth G Grandparents.

There is a possiblity that Rachel was not actually Rachel Thurman, but Tripp-2093 Rachel Tripp Thurman L7JB-YZB but I cannot find this Rachel on the 1900 census.
WikiTree profile: Anna McKinney
asked in Genealogy Help by Lance Martin G2G6 Mach 6 (68.9k points)

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This is what I found, hope it's helpful;  on a marriage record (found on ancestry.com) for Annie Thurman of Papler Bluff, Butler County, Missouri on 16 February 1914 to Elbert Heacox of Nye, Butler County, Missouri it states he is 22 and she is 16, her mother is Rachel Thurman.  It is also witnessed by a Mr. G Thurman and Mr. V Murphy. Her mother had to give consent.  You didn't mention the parents of Rachel but implied she may have been a single mother, if so here's the 1900 census, Year: 1900; Census Place: Iron, Iron, Missouri; Roll: 859; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0044; FHL microfilm: 1240859  I will continue to look.  Update -- I followed this Rachel and she never marries and continues lives with family through the 1930 census.  

answered by Nina Reauveau G2G Crew (580 points)
edited by Nina Reauveau
Yes thank you for the deaf thing. That is helpful. I have noticed those other records but nothing that you have posted helps me narrow down which of the two Rachel’s is Anna’s mother, where she might appear on a 1900 census,

Still looking
I've continued to work on this line and posted some information about Jennie Mahan, a daughter of Rachel Thurman, regarding some of the children listed on the 1910 census with Rachel.  My post is attached to the question about Myrtle being a Collins??  Rachel is Rachel Tripp who married William Carpenter and then an unknown Thurman.  I think the missing piece is she was previously married.  The research on her daugher, Jennie, helped sort all that out.  I have docs I can send you, can't figure out how to post an image here??? and the help doesn't help???
I just found Jennie Mahan's death certificate and it verifies my findings.  I don't know how to post it here.
I have tried updating all the information you sent. The problem still is the two Rachel Thurmans.

There is the one that is related to me at the exact level the mother of Anne should be related to me. Thurman-1225 and who was iniitiially input as the mother of Anne Thurman on Family Search that existed before I started working on this.  That Anne Thurman however doesnt appear to have ever married and like you said was deaf & dumb. And never shows a daughter

 

Then there is the Rachel Tripp Thurman Tripp-2093  who actually shows she had a daughter Annie.

 

Which of these two Rachels is the mother of  Anne Heacox is the quesiton.

 

 

And there is
Also on the 1900 census for Rachel, (The one that exited before I started to work on this, and the one that makes DNA sense, that never has a child per census, that remains unmarried) doesnt show a child in 1900.

It would be helpful to find the other Rachael in 1900.

Finding Anne in 1900 might show us what month she was born in.
My thoughts are whoever made the connection on Family Search originally to between Anne Heacox and Rachel Thurman (the unwed) may have had actual information we cannot find. Perhaps Anne was adopted by the other family? Or perhaps whoever entered it orginally, was just point and clicking like so many people do on ancestry. The biggest problem being what orginially was suggested is backed up by DNA evidence.

Copied from a different thread:

Jennie's death certificate also tells you her mother Rachel Tripp was previously married to William Carpenter before she married unknown Thurman.  And if you had explored that line you'd have found that the relationship between this family of Myrtle Collins who married Andrew Ferguson and Rachel Tripp Carpenter Thurman's family is Andrew's mother was Mary Tripp the sister to Rachel Tripp Carpenter Thurman.  Rachel and Mary's parents are George Washington Tripp and Margaret Hancock (not sure of surname).  Look at the 1900; Census Place: Eminence, Shannon, Missouri; Roll: 903; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 0115; FHL microfilm: 1240903

commented 24 minutes ago by Nina Reauveau G2G Crew

 

Yes all of these people have wikitree profiles.

I thank you for your help.

The problem is finding Anne's mother. 

I do not like to change information unless I can prove it is correct.

There is no information anywhere that I have seen, which proves that Anne Thurman Heacox mother is definately Rachel Trip Thurman and not Rachel Thruman as the original source material for my research suggested. 

It is my understanding that there could be two different Anne Thurmans, one who became Anne Heacox and one who did not. 

There are definately two different Rachel Thurmans, both of which were of child bearing age to have a daughter named Anne. 

What I need to find is a mention of Anne Heacox in an obiturary in one of Rachel Tripp Thurmans family.

commented 8 minutes ago by Lance Martin G2G6 Mach 4

  

This is especially true since Anne Heacox, thru a DNA match, would appear to be the granddaughter of Susan Strickland Thurman Strickland-3936

 

The only way I now to find these kinds of answers is to do the work and research the entire family(s)...  a story of the family starts to unfold and you see the connections.  Each piece of information I give you, I have hoped you'd use like a puzzle to piece this together.  I think one problem is how you frame your querie, even to yourself; one of the Rachels was a Thurman and the other Rachel was a Tripp who married a Carpenter and then a Thurman.  

As I continue to work on this line I found Anna Heacox, who divorced Elbert (who kills himself in 1938) goes on to marry a William McKinney in Arkansas, 5 July 1950.  A marriage rather late in life but that's why no one has found her death certificate.  Still working...
I agree. That is how the research needs to be done. I do not have access to sites like Ancestry and Newspapers which is why I asked for help.

I appreciate you helping.

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