Thank you John that is good to know and also too answer the question on the most probable origins of "James Smith of Turmiston" and now we may be able too nudge away from England on this man. He seems so random, and unknown,what makes somewhat significant?. If he is,that's questionable, but should be thought of as seemingly possible do too some of the context,another man was William Irving in that record who is historically significant. I just learned yesterday that what lists below is not his "Hiers" so that mistake was on me, me being too wishfull of simplicity.