How can John Throckmorton (1455) be the son of Thomas (1412) since they were born and lived in different shires?

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Sir Thomas Throckmorton (1412 - 1472) and Margaret Olney (1416 -    ) noted as the parents of John Throckmorton.  However, they were born and lived in Coughton, Warwickshire and John was born and lived in Suffolk.
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Hi Anonymous, If you have information and sources suggesting alternative parents for John please share them with us.

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John's profile says he was born at Coughton in Warwickshire, his parent's home. He died in Suffolk. It is not uncommon for younger sons to branch out looking for estates in other counties, and his family may have held land in Suffolk, also not unusual. Maybe his bride inherited manors in Suffolk. I don't think his living  in Suffolk is reason enough to rule him out as a son of Thomas.
answered by Jeanie Roberts G2G6 Pilot (119k points)
The more charitable explanation is if a gentleman was wealthy enough to own multiple manors his family might move around to different manor houses (or a town house in a city, e.g. London, but not in the 15th cent.) during the year. It is more common that the imported data was a guess or just wrong.
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Thomas Throckmorton was an attorney and steward for Edward, Prince of Wales.  This allowed him to develop interests and contacts far outside of Warwickshire.  

As as where these people lived and died, we, in general, don't really know.  They are are presumed to have been born, lived and died at their principle land holding (Coughton Court, Warwickshire), but this is not really known.  The wikitree record (correctly) says John was born at his father's main manor at Coughton and died at his main holding in South Eltham, Suffolk.

That the Throckmorton's of Suffolk connect to the Throckmorton's of Warwickshire in this way is shown by the Visitations.

Metcalfe, Walter C.  Visitations of Suffolk made 1561, 1577 and 1612, with notes and an appendix of additional Suffolk pedigrees, (1882): page 208.

Rye, Walter.  Visitation of Norfolk Anno 1563 and 1613. (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series, vol. 32, 1891): page 283.

answered by Joe Cochoit G2G6 Pilot (165k points)
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Coughton had belonged to Guy Spiney

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol3/pp74-86

WikiTree shows Guy being survived by a son Thomas, but VCH says he had no sons and settled the reversion of the estates on his daughters.

I don't know when he died, but Eleanor had probably had her kids by then, presumably at Throckmorton, in Fladbury, Worcs, where her husband John was buried and she founded a chantry.

Hist Parl doesn't think that John was ever knighted.

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/throckmorton-john-1445

Thomas (also not knighted) was the eldest son (we make him 2nd).  He acquired the other half of Coughton from his mother's sister.  No telling where his kids were born.

A John (not the Suffolk John) was the obscure younger brother of Thomas (and also not knighted).  Described as of Tewkesbury, Glos, later of Harfield, Glos.  Not shown in the Norfolk and Suffolk Visitations.  The Warks chart calls him "Thomas Junior"

https://archive.org/stream/visitationcount01britgoog#page/n113/

and calls his father Thomas as well.

He's said to have been beheaded with Owen Tudor in 1461.  His wife was probably related to the well-known "Brydges" famyly.  Not seeing much info about kids, but there's a compiled pedigree in Vis. Glos

https://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00inchit#page/162/

which gives him a daughter Cicely as well as a son John.  The descent is followed by Collins

http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/fs1/object/display/bsb10278556_00355.html

rehashed in Burke's Extinct

https://books.google.com/books?id=DqkTAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA50

 

answered by RJ Horace G2G6 Pilot (416k points)
edited by RJ Horace

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