Can anyone find any info to better source my Ancestors and find more for his parents?

Question

I'm trying to find more concrete sources for my 10th great Grandfather and his wife (and second wife), as well as  his parents. What i know is that Jan Bos died January 31 1854. And the info given in his "Memorie van Successie" (Both sourced on his profile). His death certificate states that he is a widow of Anna Margaretha van der Heide, and was Married to Jacobje Jouke Hooistra at the time of his death, and that he was the son of Gerrit Bos and Hendrikj(Y)e de Jonge. I have his death certificate as a source picture on his profile which you can find below.

I have yet to find any other source of the parents of Jan anywhere on the internet. Anna-Margaretha comes up then and with his son Gerrit. and I know for sure that Jan and Jacobje had atleast Four children, Jouke (1807), Hendrikjen (1808), Jouke (1811), and Joanna (1814). All of these were found using wiewaswie.nl or Allefriezen.nl

Anthing would be greatly appreciated, Thanks in Advance

-Sytze!

Answer 1

They all were born before 1811 (Jan Gerrits and both wifes) so most likely the name adoptions or perhaps the naming tradition can help you to find his Baptism or more records. According his death he was born in Mastenbroek (Overijssel) and son of Gerrit Bos and Hendrikje de Jonge. 

How can the naming tradition help ? In general, the first son was named after his paternal grandfather, a first daughter after the maternal grandmother. The next son after the maternal grandfather, and vice versa. Later children were named after uncles, aunts and other family members.

When a father died during pregnancy, a son often would receive his name; when a mother died during childbirth a daughter was named after her. A widower who remarried and had a daughter from this marriage gave her the name of his deceased wife.

Now if you know or are assuming the last name perhaps wasn't used before 1811 and if you know the first child was named Gerrit, the paternal grandfather very likely was named Gerrit, if the first child was named Jan he very likely was named Jan. If you know the daughters order of Birth and their first names you know very likely the first names of the grandmothers. So if you are lucky and if they were using the naming tradition very strict, you at least already have something that can help you to hopefully trace them all back and find a baptism or Birth record, etc.

His first wife is named:  Anna Margaretha (van der Heide) in 1818 at the marriage of son Gerrit Jans (Bos) and Geertje Roelofs (Weulinga) but she was named Anna Margaretha Hermanus de Wubbe at the marriage of their daughter Jantje Jans (Bos) and husband Tjepke Wybes (van der Schaaf) in 1819. So perhaps her father was named Herman Wubbes or something ? 

Will try if I can find some records and more about his parents for you and hopefully his Birth or Baptism record of course :)

Comments

Of course further research will be done but now that i Know that they were from Overijssel I found another tree. Thank you

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Jan_Gerrits_%287%29

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Even though he already used the name before this date, here's the official last name Adoption of the name Bos (this time without 'sch')  in 1811:

Aktedatum: 1811 Plaats: Sneek

Bijzonderheden: Kind(eren): Gerryt 14, Jouke 18 weken, Jantjen 13, Hendrikjen 3 Ingeschreven  Jan Bos wonende te Sneek

Bronvermelding Sneek, archiefnummer 29, Register van familienamen - Tresoar, inventarisnummer 0089 Periode: 1811-1825

So he was born as Jan with the Patronymic LNAB Gerrits, and later, perhaps when or because he moved to Sneek and got married, he started to use the last name Bosch/Bos and from 1811 it was official and Bos. 

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So he would have taken the name Bos after moving to identify him since does who knew him in Overijssel would have known his family and all that

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Why or when exactly he started to use the last name is of course hard to tell, sometimes when they moved to for example a larger city this was a reason to start to, of and on, or from that moment all the time, use a last name instead of the patronymic last name, because there were multiple people with the same first names and patronymics, so to be able to distinguish one Jan Gerrits from the other, using a last name was just more handy.

The last name also could refer to the area or place or a farm they or the family originally was from, perhaps Mastenbroeck had a forest and that was why he chose the name Bosch or Bos, or maybe some ancestors or relatives lived in a house or a farm named Bosch, it could even be a piece of land. But well at least you have found a whole new and earlier part of your family to investigate ..congrats it's always awesome eeh !!

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By coincidence or fate, Kampen,the Ancestral home of my Paternal Grandmother, is 20 kilometers away from Hasselt Overijssel. The "City" where i was born!!!! and Mastenbroek just 6.6 km!

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You are getting more close to home woohoo !

I also found this, and looking at the genealogy where the last names Bos and Kok and the zeedijk are mentioned as well it might be interesting or perhaps help as well. 

Erve Rutger Wouters or Mastenbroekererve

Dijkboek zeedijk: no. 172 Mastebroekererve 14 dm.; no. 178 Huskampien gr. 4 dm.; no. 183 3 dm. Hansenland; no. 187 Hansenweijde 4½ dm. en Groot Hansenland 3 dm.; no. 194 zie 178; no. 195 de kamp 3½ dm., de huiskamp 4½ dm. en 2 dm. op de graft; no. 199 Symon Egbertsgoet 5 dm.; no. 206 Bossiesweijde 4 dm., no. 208 Buurter of Bossiesweijde 2 dm.; no. 214 Bossiesweijde 3 dm.; no. 220 't Hofflant.

1697-1713: Het Eccleastique Rentambt van Vollenhove ontvangt p.j. een uitgang van 4 kop boter uit Bossiesweijde oock gen. halve Reynsweijde in 4 percelen t.l.v. Goltbeeck, Hend. Bloems en broers, Jacob Meinen en Dirck Jans; betaler in 1697 op Martini Jan Jansen; in 1709 Meine Harms Broer

What it shows it there apparently were pieces of  weide land (for cows? they had to pay rent and the rent was butter it says 4 cup of butter etc and sometimes how much this was in Caroli guilders) all named Bossiesweijde so maybe that's where the name came from ? 

The name Kok also is mentioned: 1785: dbno. 172, 183, 187, 195, 214: Dirk Dirks en Jacob Kok 

Anyway, my guess is the family or some of his ancestors (parents/grandparents) probably lived here somewhere and ''pachten'' rented these Bossiesweijdes weideland (meadow ?) and were farmers or at least had cows and were producing (besides perhaps milk, cheese and other products) butter. The butter was also used to pay the rent or pacht .. perhaps they also had a farm or house that was named Bosch. 

There are some Bosch and Kok people mentioned, so I think there probably are some members of your family/ancestors mentioned..

Looking at the info from the genealogy and reading it a bit better, they did own a farm and land and at this zeedijk :P

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Zeedijk as in Amsterdam?

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I believe I have found where the name Bos(ch) comes from, in the link below if you go to image 58 and you look at the first baptism the parents are listed as Jan Hendricks and Trijntje Roelofs, Trijntje was a sister of Gerrit (Father of Jan). Anyone if you look at the first baptism on the top right it says "uit Bosch op de B.W.". So i think it is safe to make a connection and say that that is where my Oma's maiden name comes from. and seeing that this would be Jan's aunt, he would have been fairly familiar with this area and this Bos.

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No a different zeedijk, the Kamperzeedijk ;) :

Kamperzeedijk is een eeuwenoude IJsseldelta, en in vroegere jaren een belangrijke landverbinding naar het Noorden. Door de IJsselmonding en het Zwartewater was het een belangrijke doorgangspoort in de Hanzeroute Kampen, Hasselt en Zwolle.

De lokale geschiedenis meldt veel veldslagen in een ruige en harde geschiedenis. In de Romeinse tijd werden de hooggelegen nederzettingen omringd door het gebied dat nu de naam Polder Mastenbroek draagt. Mastenbroek is één van de oudste polders in Nederland. Kamperzeedijk (de zeedijk die Mastenbroek beschermd) is vanaf die tijd een belangrijke verbinding. De dijk heeft dan ook vele herbergen gekend. Het muursteentje het Witte Schaap is een laatste herinnering aan een van de herbergen.

De legende zegt dat Napoleon Bonaparte op Kamperzeedijk is geweest. Het 'Witte Schaap' dankt haar naam aan een aantal Franse soldaten die 's avonds in de mist in de moerassige polder Mastenbroek de weg kwijt waren. Een blerend wit schaap leidde hen naar Kamperzeedijk in de dikke mist. 

Kamperzeedijk is an ancient IJsseldelta, and in earlier years an important land connection to the North. Through the IJssel estuary and the Zwartewater it was an important gateway in the Hanzeroute Kampen, Hasselt and Zwolle. 

Local history reports many battles in a rough and hard history. In Roman times, the high-lying settlements were surrounded by the area that now bears the name Polder Mastenbroek. Mastenbroek is one of the oldest polders in the Netherlands. Kamperzeedijk (the seawall that protects Mastenbroek) is an important connection from that time. There also were many inns. The wall stone the White Sheep is a last reminder of one of the inns. 

The legend says that Napoleon Bonaparte has been on Kamperzeedijk. The White Sheep owes its name to a number of French soldiers who lost their way in the mist in the swampy Mastenbroek in the evening. A white sheep led them to the Kamperzeedijk in the thick fog. 

 And the link is missing, do you know what 'op de B.W' stands for ? Is it the Bossies weijde perhaps ? 

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https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?mivast=0&mizig=210&miadt=141&miaet=1&micode=0709&minr=770516&miview=inv2

Here's the link