Who held the barony of Whalton before Henry le Scrope (c. 1347)?

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Re-reading some stuff, I'm being driven crazy by Walter fitz William, who apparently was baron of Whalton in the early 12th century. I'm trying to locate a specific charter which relates to Ogles ... but any will do at this point.

So far I have seen that Henry le Scrope held the barony of Whalton in 1347. Who had it before him?
WikiTree profile: Henry le Scrope
in The Tree House by Bree Ogle G2G6 (8.5k points)

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Geoffrey le Scrope - this particular property is odd - a very large manor at 3 knights fees see History of Northumberland, "Pedigrees of the Baron of Wharton" pp. 372-373.  

 

by Kirk Hess G2G6 Mach 6 (63.7k points)
YES! I've been looking for Walter's pedigree. We don't seem to have a profile for him. Nice catch:)

I wouldn't be creating Walter just based on the pedigree as there are problems.

The Robert Fitz Walter mentioned as a son of Walter Fitz William and Isabella and married to Sibilla de Cayneto, is actually Robert fitz Walter de Caen (or Robert de Cadomo) and his father Walter de Caen (or Cadomo) was the son of Alberic not William, so looks like someone has grafted two different genealogies together.

This comes from the two volumes of Domesday Descendants by Katherine Keats-Rohan.

The FitzJohn part of the pedigree also has problems (John, Constable of Chester was son of Richard Fitz Eustace, not his brother) and Roger was John, the Constable's son, not his nephew.

Given the problems, I would check out any details before adding them to WikiTree.

So I've been hunting and Kirk ... you are really right!. This barony IS weird! 

The way Wikitree sets it up (that with the pedigree you posted)  ... it seems to fall to John FitzRobert from his mother Margaret Chesney.

But the tree is looking harry (not to worry John, the Claverings look like way too much work. Not even close to being tempted LOL:) ... 

Kicker is though  ... how in heck does the barony get to Geoffrey le Scrope?!!! Did John FitzRobert lose it or sell it during the face off with King John?

 

BTW ... what I really want -- which has zero to do with more tree  work -- I want to see CHARTERS by Walter fitz William. I've been hunting through British archives and stuff and can't find any. So if anyone runs across his CHARTERS ... grants ... etc. ... any primary documents ... please post here:) Thx!

John de Clavering probably exchanged the manor with Edward II with his other lands, that was Hodgson's guess.

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