Pinkerton Kyle

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I'm looking for any information on, "Pinkerton Kyle".  he married, Mary Ellen Weir. He is from the south, probably Alabama or North Carolina .They had at least one daughter Bessie Ethel (Kay) Kyle in 1888, born in Mississippi. She moved to Texas and married, Carl Robert Curtis who was born in Michigan in 1893 and later moved to Texas. That's probably where they met but this is about Pinkerton. Would be very grateful for any help :)
in Genealogy Help by Shelly Wakefield G2G Crew (430 points)

Mary Kyle

United States Census, 1900

Name Mary Kyle
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Ward 2, Terrebonne, Louisiana, United States
Gender Female
Age 35
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife
Number of Living Children 2
Years Married 9
Birth Date Oct 1865
Birthplace Virginia
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1891
Father's Birthplace Virginia
Mother's Birthplace Virginia
Mother of how many children 2

Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

P Kyle Head M 53 Mississippi
Mary Kyle Wife F 35 Virginia
Elizabeth Kyle Daughter F 6 Louisiana
V H Kyle Son M 1 Louisiana

Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSPD-D59 : accessed 27 March 2018), Mary Kyle in household of P Kyle, Ward 2, Terrebonne, Louisiana, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 68, sheet 5B, family 122, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,240,584.

Thank you for the help. I have that information sadly it is all very confusing. I know a lady is supposed to never tell her age but Bessie's age changes over time which is very unhelpful. she seems to be born in 1888 when she's younger untill she's buried and has 1890 on her grave. :/  im sorry im wasting your itme when you're so awesome to try to help. i should include what ive found.

 

U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014

Name  Bessie Curtis
SSN  460-12-9428
Last Residence  Corpus Christi, 78412, Nueces, Texas, USA
Born  21 Aug 1890
Died  Mar 1971
State (Year) SSN issued Texas - Before 1951
 

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

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Name  Bessie Kyle
Gender  Female
Spouse  Carl R Curtis
Child  Lola Louise Benner
Household Members
 Name Age
 Bessie Kyle  
Carl R Curtis  
Lola Louise Benner (born Curtis)

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

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Name  Bessie Kyle
Gender  Female
Spouse  Carl R Curtis
Child  Carlos William Curtis
Household Members 
 Name Age
Bessie Kyle  
Carl R Curtis  
Carlos William Curtis (Carlos was born "Carlus" and is listed as Jake on some of the census papers. Late in life he changes his name to Jake. I don't know why but there are strange name changes in this family.).
 
 

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

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Name  Bessie K Curtis
Gender  Female
Spouse  Carl R Curtis
Child  Martin Vanallen Curtis
Household Members
Name Age
Bessie K Curtis  
Carl R Curtis  
Martin Vanallen Curtis (Martin VanAllen Curtis is my grandfather my late mother and i never knew him or his family. He later changed his name to "Wilfred Herbert Sohn". I have no clue why he chose that name.

U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

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Name  Bessie Curtis
Maiden  Kyle
Birth Date  21 Aug 1890
Birth Place  Mississippi, United States of America
Death Date 17 Mar 1971
Death Place  Corpus Christi, Nueces County, Texas, United States of America
Cemetery  Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery
Burial or Cremation  Place San Antonio, Bexar County, Texas, United States of America
Has Bio? Y
Father  Wiley Gaither Kyle
Mother  Alice Kyle
Spouse  Carl Robert Curtis
Children  Alfred Benjamin Curtis
URL https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3020587

I've DNA tested and I'm not related to any Sohn or Curtis. Oddly my closest match is "Gee". I would still like to find who these people are whether they're related or not because Bessie has had at least 1 illegit child and there are very odd things going on with children's birth certificates. Could there be another man in her life, another name change or an adoption? 

My grandfather and photos of him are on find a grave. He is linked to bessie as a child. Wilfred Herbert Sohm My name on find a grave is shellwake.

U.S. Veterans' Gravesites, ca.1775-2006

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Name Bessie K Curtis
Service Info. PFC US ARMY
Birth Date 21 Aug 1890
Death Date 17 Mar 1971
Relation Wife Of Curtis, Carl R
Interment Date 19 Mar 1971
Cemetery Ft. Sam Houston National Cemetery
Cemetery Address 1520 Harry Wurzbach Road San Antonio, TX 78209
Buried At Section Ah Site 1563
(I think that somewhere somebody got mixed up and thought that "K" stood for "Kay" and it actually stands for Kyle.). She died in a nursing home and her middle name is Ethel on everything else.

 
Name Bessie E Curtis
Birth Year abt 1888
Gender Female
Race White
Age in 1930 42
Birthplace Mississippi
Marital Status Married
Relation to Head of House Wife
Homemaker? Yes
Home in 1930 Precinct 6, Bexar, Texas, USA
Map of Home Precinct 6, Bexar, Texas
Dwelling Number 55
Family Number 63
Age at First Marriage 29
Attended School No
Able to Read and Write Yes
Father's Birthplace Mississippi
Mother's Birthplace Mississippi
Able to Speak English Yes
Occupation Washerwoman
Industry At home
Class of Worker Wage or salary worker
Employment Yes
Household Members
Name Age
Carl R Curtis  
Bessie E Curtis  
Jake C Curtis  
Alfred B Curtis  
Martin V Curtis  
Elmer L Curtis (Elmer is Bessie's illegit child with Sidney Marcell Hanna.I've linked him to her on findagrave.) Elmer was born Elmer Lee Kyle, went by Elmer Curtis and later goes by Elmer Hanna from what I've found. There is a photo of another Elmer Lee Kyle on ancestry born about a year after mine. He looks eerily like my grandfater Martin/Wilfred but ive contacted them online and  the family insists they're not related.

 

 

1940 United States Federal Census

Name  Bessie Curtiss
Respondent  Yes
Age  52
Estimated Birth Year abt 1888
Gender Female
Race  White
Birthplace  Mississippi
Marital Status  Married
Relation to Head of House  Wife
Home in 1940  Bexar, Texas
Map of Home in 1940  Bexar, Texas
Street  Ninth Street
House Number 610
Inferred Residence in 1935 Sp, Bexar, Texas
Residence in 1935 Same Place
Sheet Number  45A
Occupation  Practical Nurse
Attended School or College  No
Highest Grade Completed  Elementary school, 4th grade
Class of Worker  Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939 10
Income 0
Income Other Sources Yes
Household Members
Name Age
Carl R Curtiss  
Bessie Curtiss  
Carlos Wm Curtiss (Jake)  
Alfred Curtiss  
Martin Curtiss  
Lola Curtiss

They are on the 1940 census more than once

1940 United States Federal Census

Name  Bessie Curtiss
Age  53
Estimated Birth Year abt 1887
Gender  Female
Race  White
Birthplace  Mississippi
Marital Status  Married
Relation to Head of House  Wife
Home in 1940  Bexar, Texas
Map of Home in 1940  Bexar, Texas
Street  Ninth Street
House Number Alock 900
Inferred Residence in 1935 Sp, Bexar, Texas
Residence in 1935 Same Place
Resident on farm in 1935  No
Sheet Number  67A
Occupation  Practical Nurse
Attended School or College  No
Highest Grade Completed  Elementary school, 8th grade
Hours Worked Week  10
Class of Worker  Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939  26
Income  0
Income Other Sources  Yes
Household Members
 Name Age
Carl R Curtiss  
Bessie Curtiss  
Jake Curtiss (Carlus/Carlos)  
Alfred Curtiss  
Martin Curtiss  
Lola Curtiss

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000

Name  Bessie Curtis
Death Date 17 Mar 1971
Death County  Nueces
Gender  Female
Marital Status  Widowed
 
Name  Bessie Kay Curtis
Gender  Female
Race  White
Age  80
Birth Date  21 Aug 1890
Birth Place  Mississippi
Residence  Corpus Christi, Nueces, Texas, USA
Death Date  17 Mar 1971
Death Place  Corpus Christi, Nueces, Texas, USA
Father  Pinkerton Kyle
Mother  Mary Ellen Wier
Household Members
Name Age
Bessie Kay Curtis  
Mary Ellen Wier  
Pinkerton Kyle

What is interesting about pinkerton kyle is that he doesn't seem to exist. On one of my grandfather's records his lists both of his parents as born in Ireland. DNA on 23&me estimates me as 65.4% Irish 

There ave various other very strange things on children's birth and death certificates etc. if anybody is interested I would be happy to share them

 

the closest thing that ive found so far to, "Pinkerton Kyle" in the proper age range is a man named 

Name

Sydney Pinkerton John Thomas Cole

Birth

27 May 1858

Death

07 Jul 1949

 

There is a photo of him on ancestry and i doubt the owner would be pleased to hear from me. most are not. they seem to find it offensive :(  not enough proof there

I hope people can still find this

2 Answers

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Pinkerton Kyle

mentioned in the record of Bessie Kay Curtis

Name Pinkerton Kyle
gender Male
Wife Mary Ellen Wier
Daughter Bessie Kay Curtis

Other information in the record of Bessie Kay Curtis

from Texas Deaths

Name Bessie Kay Curtis
Event Type Death
Event Date 17 Mar 1971
Event Place Corpus Christi, Nueces, Texas, United States
Gender Female
Marital Status Widowed
Birth Date 21 Aug 1890
Birthplace , Mississippi
Father's Name Pinkerton Kyle
Mother's Name Mary Ellen Wier
Certificate Number 20474

Citing this Record

"Texas Deaths, 1890-1976," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K36J-8TB : 13 March 2018), Pinkerton Kyle in entry for Bessie Kay Curtis, 17 Mar 1971; citing certificate number 20474, State Registrar Office, Austin; FHL microfilm 2,223,121.

by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.1m points)
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Thanks for message.  Sorry, I don't think we have same ancestors.  I am researching in Ireland and Scotland.

Good luck.

Bob
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According to my DNA I’m over half Irish

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