Musty Dusty Pre-1500 Team Chat Spring 2018 Clean-A-Thon

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A big hello from Ilinois to the Musty Dusty 2018 Source-a-thon team (and anyone interesting in joining. We perhaps have on of the toughest jobs around trying to clean-up the pre-1500 profiles.    

This post would be a great place to start talking about what profiles or suggestions you want to work on. 

I plan to help out in the fall on the Pre-1500 Source-a-thon. As I am addressing each suggestion during this clean-a-thon, I also plan to tag unsourced profiles as unsourced to a specific a location to jump start our fall source-a-thon.

We are small but mighty as we have to pull from a rather small group of Pre-1500 certified members. Feel to free to rustle up some more members for our team. 

Please let us if you have any further suggestions or ideas! 

Even though this is not a sourcing project, the Pre-1500 Resource page may help determine what is correct and add a source at the same time.

asked Apr 8 in Requests for Project Volunteers by Marty Acks G2G6 Mach 6 (62,890 points)
retagged 3 days ago by Isabelle Rassinot
Thanks for your help!
Still looking for some more pre-1500 certified people to jump on board to the Musty Dusty Team. Just a post note to the clean-a-thon G2G post or  here and we will get you registered!
Woo hoo! Go Musty Dustys (or is it Dusties?)

9 Answers

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I'm going to start by focusing on the easier errors like 824/841 and the period 1300-1500

While we are doing this, is there anything we can do to help regarding pre-1500 profiles with no pre-1500 certified profile manager?

Are they easy to identify so people could adopt if appropriate as they are going round?


Rather than "adopt" I should say add ourselves as an additional Profile Manager
answered Apr 8 by Andrew Turvey G2G6 Mach 1 (14,750 points)
edited 3 days ago by Andrew Turvey

I tend to not be that interested in adopting profiles. It just seems to be of value when needing change the LNAB. Other than that we tend to be free to make changes to profiles as we deem useful. I may be in the minority here as many other place weight on being a profile owner.  

Andrew, pre-1500 profiles with a manager who is not certified are like any profile with a PM... they are not adoptable.
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I am actually on the Southern Super Sweepers Team but will also be working pre-1500s as there are some showing in the areas covered by that team.  I am gong to mainly concentrate on Louisiana because I read French and Latin.
answered Apr 8 by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (326,990 points)
Knowing Latin sure would help on some of the Scottish sources I have come across. Appreciate the Pre-1500 help even if it is not for our team. We are probably the hardest team to fill due to the pre-1500 requirement. if your team starts to max out feel free to consider switching to Musty and Dusty.
I do a lot of work with old Scottish records.  I have Scottish ancestry for 25% of my paper ancestry.  Feel free to tap me for help if you need it Marty.

I did Musty and Dusty for the Source A Thon.  Last year I was a co-leader of a team and can't do that this year do to stuff going on with family and my business partner's family health wise.  So I was asked to join a couple of teams and went with the one that asked me first and I have strong connections to folks on that team.  If they split us and I need to go elsewhere I will let you know.  

One thing i would concentrate on for the Musty and Dusty which can clean up a bunch of those is the Unique Name error.  Those can be more quickly researched generally speaking.  Also things like Country names before say Germany existed...  And some of the formatting errors where a reference tag is missing or Biography and Sources headings are missing.  

Make sure to look at the pre-1500 source page located at

There are some great sources to help you there!

Thanks. I've been trying find a library copy of Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. in the Chicago/Illinois Area. Wow is this hard to find. NewBerry does not have it. University of Illinois (8 million volumes does not have it). Closest library is Urbana, Illinois. Allen County also has it.

Library of Congress has:



Plantagenet ancestry : a study in colonial and medieval families /Catalog Record Only"This work is an expansion and extensive revision of an earlier work by David Faris entitled Plantagenet ancestry of seventeenth-century colonists"--P. xi. Includes bibliographical references (p. [807]-884) and index.
  • Contributor: Richardson, Douglas
  • Date: 2004
Magna Carta ancestry : a study in colonial and medieval families / Catalog Record OnlyIncludes bibliographical references (p. 927-1020) and indexes.
  • Contributor: Richardson, Douglas
  • Date: 2005
They often do inter-library loans
According to we have several here in the St Louis MO area.  Come to catch a Cubs / Cards game and do stay to do some research!
Is there something specific you want?   I can make a trip to the library with the main genealogy dept.  It was listed as being there. 
The People of Medieval Scotland database is a really good starting point for Scottish pre-1500 profiles.

It can be found here
Totally agree  I know it well!   And it is one of the approved resources on our Resource Page for Sources for pre-1500

I have spent time on Renfrewshire and Ayrshire profiles, that sometimes dip into pre-1500 profiles. What are the groups thought on the following types of sources that tend to be written in the 19th century. Most cite sources of their own.

These are generally chosen to add sources to existing profiles, not to create who new lines.  

The Richardson 2004-5 books were single volumes.  The 2011 books were 3 and 4 volumes, and they were merged and extended in the 2013 set, which is 5 volumes.  But self-published, which is probably why they're rare.
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Thanks Marty for taking on leading this group.  I'm not going to have much time that weekend (I've taken on some post-graduate study in medieval history and assignments are due soon) but will do what I can.

I think I'm going to tackle some of the 802 (empty profile) suggestions.
answered 3 days ago by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (245,400 points)
Thanks.  Every bit helps. I've got a birthday this weekend. My wife seems to think doing Source-A-Thon 3 straight days is not a proper way to celebrate my birthday. I will be taking a break or two!
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I won't be full time.....but, I will be there!!!!!
answered 3 days ago by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (367,670 points)
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I won't be full time either as I'm celebrating a birthday this weekend and oddly enough, my family insists spending it "always at the computer like a hopeless nerd" is not the proper way to celebrate.

Still unsure which suggestion I'll tackle.
answered 3 days ago by Isabelle Rassinot G2G6 Pilot (140,450 points)
Sounds like we have similar families. Have a happy birthday.
Go Isabelle!! And have an amazing weekend.  We will all be thinking of you :-)
Oh, thanks, Emma!

After due consideration, I believe I'll start with suggestions 851 and 852 - Gedcom parsing errors.

Sounds good. I have updated our page here with the latest focus areas: Let me know if there are any corrections:

Also, a reminder to suggest we tag profiles we update as unsourced (and to a specific geographic location when we know it) to help source pre-1500 profiles in general and during Source-A-Thon in the fall. You can find the locations here:
Sure! And I usually try to clean up the whole profile before moving on to the next one.
I agree with the quality over quantity.
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Here is a page that provides details on how Clean-A-Thon works.
answered 2 days ago by Marty Acks G2G6 Mach 6 (62,890 points)
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A heads up for everyone on this team.    Every week I look at the new errors being corrected and the #1 new error is always "odd names".   But, #2, 3, 4 have to do with text.   Please remember to make sure that ANY profile you touch has the headings of Biography and Sources, (and only one set) and has a <references/> tag.   Otherwise, the errors you correct will just create new errors.....
answered 22 hours ago by Robin Lee G2G6 Pilot (367,670 points)
We have one person signed up for up 802's (empty) so that should help. I may take up the 803's (almost empty).

Should we just set all 8000+ unique names to blanks after a nominal review? Particularly for pre-1500, I think they tend to have very little value.
Here is the issue with the "names"  Having all those names actually helps me find duplicates because of Wikitree's "fuzzy" logic on names.   I can remove dates and just search on the name and sometimes I find duplicates.  Let's see how we go with the other items and then see if we want to do something with the names.    In a lot of cases, there are sources on the profile and a "false error" is totally appropriate.
Robin - Not sure I followed. I thought most fuzzy (Variants) logic is limited to LNAB in WIkiTree. Also, tagging them as false errors would not change the ability to search. I agree that time is better spent fixing content that an actually user of the site will notice.
LOTS of pre-1500 profiles are flagged for Error 511 Unique Names (spelling) because:

- the system is biased for Anglo-Saxon names (for statistical reasons), so any no-too-common foreign combination of names is likely to trigger an error (a lot of Medieval names are "odd" by current standards)

- titles in the Nickname field (a recommendation for aristo profiles) also trigger the error, and it should be marked false

- also many medieval profiles have variants and translations of names in the fields (for the reasons explained by Robin above)

In all 3 cases, the error should usually be marked false.
I may tackle some of these when I am looking for a break or some mindless work, when watching TV this weekend. (If I am allowed a break)
Perfect answer, Marty!
...Or if I get a competitive streak...
Yes working on these would do a lot of good to the team statistics (though the added value is less obvious).
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I'll attempt the Hinton/Hynton/Hyntin lines.  I image I'll find a LOT of Ancestry data listed as "source".
answered 15 hours ago by Debra Allison G2G6 Mach 1 (14,740 points)
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What time zone are we in? And are we jumping on tonight (from a US perspective)? I am US Central time zone and will jumping on at 11pm for an hour or 2.
answered 2 hours ago by Marty Acks G2G6 Mach 6 (62,890 points)

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