Is the word WELF used as a title or first name and how do you know?

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as in Welf von Bayern (0770-0825)  I have a list of titles that says it means Duke..
WikiTree profile: Guelph Andechs
asked in Policy and Style by Rebecca Snider G2G6 (8.5k points)
edited by Rebecca Snider

Welf was a first name that later became a dynastic surname.

Guelph is the same thing in a different language.  Presumably Welf was Latinized as Guelphus and Guelph was backformed from that (by historians, not in real life).

I doubt if Counts of Andechs go back that far.  Presumably this one is a duplicate of

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Welf-3

who according to MedLands was the first known Welf

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#WelfIdied824B

(The English translation is "whelp" but we don't call them that.)

 

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/welf0000.htm

MedLands cites a source saying he had two names, Etiko and Welf, but this doesn't seem to get much credence. 

Practically everything round here seems to be "uncertain".

 

Thank you RJ Horace...  I used that name because when I did a search on wikitree I used the one word, WELF, and nothing else.   This and a few others came up so I just "built" on that one name.  That name doesn't appear anywhere on my tree.. it was just a result of a search.

I truly appreciate all this information.   Now I have to figure out WHERE I found the other information (Welf = Duke) but I think it was probably from my early days of doing genealogy and was suckered into using Ancestry.  Also some of our tree research was done by my BIL and were taken right from Ancestry.   Yes.. we definitely take his "sources" using Ancestry with a huge dose of salt.   

Thanks again...

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Welf - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welf

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Welf is a Germanic first name that may refer to: Welf (father of Judith), 9th century Frankish count, father-in-law of Louis the Pious. Welf I, d. bef. 876, count of Alpgau and Linzgau. Welf II, Count of Swabia, d.

House of Welf - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Welf

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The House of Welf is the older branch of the House of Este, a dynasty whose earliest known members lived in Lombardy in the late 9th/early 10th century, sometimes called Welf-Este. The first member wasWelf I, Duke of Bavaria; he inherited the property of the Elder House of Welf when his maternal uncleWelf III, Duke of ...

answered by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (1.7m points)

Welf - First Name Meaning - What does Welf mean? - Kabalarians

https://www.kabalarians.com/m/welf.htm

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Welf - Name Meaning with a Detailed Description: The name of Welf makes you dynamic, restless, independent, ready to accept challenges, ... Is the name of Welf helping or hurting you? Do you want something better?

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Somewhere in this world of the internet I did answer and I thanked everyone.   I did look up all of these suggestions and answers before posting the question.    However I had a page of the unofficial royals with a GLossary of German Noble and Royal Titles sometime ago and had Welf=Duke added at the bottom.    I WILL remove that and take these other suggestions as fact.

Please excuse me if this shows up twice.   and

THANK YOU ALL !
answered by Rebecca Snider G2G6 (8.5k points)

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