trying to find records for 3 sisters who came here with their husbands

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There are 3 sisters who came to Canada with their husbands in 1659, to Montréal specifically.  They are Louise Garnier (tagged) married to Pierre Goguet , Marie Marguerite Garnier married to Olivier Charbonneau  and Michelle Garnier married to Simon Cardinal

Fichier origine has 2 options for baptism for Marie Marguerite, with different parents.  There are no baptisms found for the other two.  They are all tagged as of uncertain parentage due to this lack and the absence of any marriage record for any of them so far.  They married in either Marans or La Rochelle.

Any help on finding records for them would be appreciated, already have the 2 baptisms that create a question more than anything.  the name Garnier is also not rare.  Marriage records, marriage contract, anything at all would be more than we have now.  These ladies have a LOT of descendants.
WikiTree profile: Louise Garnier
in Genealogy Help by Danielle Liard G2G6 Pilot (325k points)

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The records of Marans of that time are in a bad shape. Marriages from Aug 1649 to May 1661 are missing, so probably all three sisters fall in this hole. Baptisms of the 1620's and 1630's are there, but they are not well ordered and there is no table: if somebody as the courage to read 300 pages of barely legible handwriting, then maybe the baptisms of Louise and Michelle with the same parents can be found.

Fichier origine gives a precise date for the marriage of Michelle: 10 Dec 1652. Any idea where this date comes from?

Also in fichier origine, there is an error on the baptism of Michelle's first son, Jacques Cardinal: it is stated as 23 Feb 1656, but at this date one finds the baptism of another son, Pierre, who probably died young. According to his age at census, Jacques is rather born in 1654 - but baptisms from May 1639 to Dec 1654 are missing.
by Julien Cassaigne G2G6 Mach 2 (20.4k points)
Bonjour Julien

The marriage date for Michelle does not come from Fichier, not sure where it originates.

Is it possible to get a copy of the baptism of Pierre for the profile?  Census data is iffy at best to determine actual ages,  Those things were estimates by the census taker mostly, with some wild variations from one year to the next sometimes.

The marriage date for Michelle is here: They give as a reference "MARANS, p. 56". I assume this refers to the master thesis of Fabien Raguy (L'émigration coloniale vers la Nouvelle-France aux XVII et XVIIIe siècles dans le cadre de la reproduction sociale à Marans en Aunis, Université de La Rochelle, 1996, 173 p.), which I have not seen. Maybe there is a marriage contract (by the way, the notary of Marans at the time was André Roy, Roy-652, whose son Jean Roy also emigrated to Québec, according to but they do not seem to be online.

The baptism of Pierre is here:, image 59/113, left.

intéressant, le fichier de l'époux donne la donnée, mais pas celui de l'épouse (que je regardais).  Oui, la référence Marans est bien l'ouvrage de Fabien Raguy.

Jolie référence ces racines rochelaises, merci.

Attaché le lien pour le baptême au profil de Jacques, avec note qu'il est incertain que ce soit lui.  J'ai vu ailleurs des enfants baptisés d'un nom et appelés d'un autre par la suite, je vois que le parrain s'appelait Pierre.  Ne sais pas.

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