Why not add profiles to the Category:County_Cavan ?

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A message on the page says "This is a high level category - please do not add individual profiles."

I do not understand why profiles would not be added to the Category:County_Cavan which currently has 88 profiles. The help page https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Category_Names states "Ideally, bottom-level categories should be much smaller, with no more than a few thousand people in them."

Current hierarchy is 1- Regions, 2 - Europe (en), 3- Ireland, 4 - County Cavan is at the 4th level, which seems a mid-level rather than a high level.

A fundamental research for sources in Ireland is to look at the locality which so many times is simply the county name. I hope wiki-tree categorization for Ireland will allow profiles to be attached to the County category.
asked in Policy and Style by Sheila x G2G6 Mach 2 (25.7k points)

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If at all possible, you should categorise it into a town/village/city in Co Cavan.
answered by Ros Haywood G2G6 Pilot (427k points)
selected by Leigh Murrin
See my answer below on this point too.

edit of comment - saw the work that has gone into creating cats for Ireland and it will work categorising profiles by townlands, parishes or baronies - but I think REGISTRAR'S DISTRICT and POOR LAW UNIONS should be taken unto account too as these may be the only records available for an individual. 

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I agree with you Sheila. I took it out. Thanks for bringing this up.

I'm in the process of creating projects for each of the Counties and I'll be looking at their Categories too. Most of them need to be cleaned up and slimed down (Too many words).
answered by Richard Devlin G2G6 Mach 7 (78.9k points)
Thanks Richard. I thought the statement was quite off-putting especially to new members. I understand the drive to lower level locality name when there is a one-name study with hundreds of profiles for a particular surname.

I am available to work on category clean-up.

I also think the use of the same word for the name of the project and the name of the category is confusing to many. I think the info on the page needs to include the identifier Project ---- and Category --- to allow people to follow the links without going around in circles.
Hi, we spent a lot of time setting up the Ireland categories and there is a system to them.

We should be trying to allocate profiles to towns, parishes and townlands, not to the County Names, wherever possible.  This is not intended to stop people linking names to a county category if there is no other option, but I question the genealogical value of doing so when there are sometimes many people with the same name which (as we all know) happens in Ireland.

I wonder if a sticker is better in this situation to indicate someone came from a County?
Hello Leigh, You did a GREAT job in setting up the categories and I don't plan to change any of the categories. I was just thinking of moving some of the wording at the top of the page into the project page and/or into an instruction page with links to them.

I like the idea of a sticker but how would you find them to move them to a lower level. Should it not be a goal of each county project to move the profiles to the lowest possible level?

For those interested, I have set up County Tyrone sub-Project and I'll be using it as a template for the other County projects that are not started yet. I would like any and all feed back to make it better. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:County_Tyrone_Sub_Project

I just got a request to add a per-1500 section (in the county project page) for kingdoms. Thanks Valerie great idea, I'm working on it.

Thank you so much for your input. 10 minds are better than 1
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Guidance on creating categories for Irish places is also contained here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Irish_Counties

answered by Leigh Murrin G2G6 Mach 2 (26.8k points)
Yea, Leigh; this is great.

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