Native American Project needed as manager (or PPP removed)

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Hi! She may have been born in Virginia, but I don't think that the Virginia Project is the appropriate project to be manager, and a manager is needed to support PPP.

Is there a Cherokee Project that could be manager? If not, then Native American Project.

Thanks!

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Nannie Tadpole Woodall was born in the Cherokee Nation, now Georgia, not Virginia.

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thanks for the info - you might want to edit her profile to reflect that.

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I've edited the profile.  Looks like someone else added NA mgt.

 

Kathie can you offer any source  details? Except for a FAG link, the profile cited no sources for the data offered.

Thanks.

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Thanks Jillaine!

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I have corrected the birth and marriage to Cherokee Nation East. The Cherokees moved out of VA in the 1750s. I am trying to get in touch with the gentleman who runs that Find A Grave profile to see if he has primary source info to put her birth in VA.

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West Virginia became a state in 1861. Prior to 1861, today's West Virginia was part of Virginia?

Question 1. Is there a source for "Cherokees moved out of Virginia in the 1750s."

Question 2. Where did the Cherokee move to in the 1750s?" Is there a source for this?

Question 3: Would the Cherokees in Virginia and today's West Virginia, prior to 1750, now fall under the definition of Cherokee Nation East?

Best! Richard Jordan, Amherst County, Virginia 

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The Cherokee never lived in what are now Virginia, West Virginia, or Kentucky (all originally part of the Colony of Virginia.)  The Cherokee claimed territory, mostly used for hunting,  that extended into the far western/southwestern parts of Virginia and over most of Kentucky. Portions of that same territory were also claimed by other tribes including the Shawnee and Chickasaw.  The Cherokee actually lived in about 200 small agricultural towns clustered at the bottom of the Great Smoky Mountains where North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee come together.  They are believed to have had a salt works in what is now the "tail" of Virginia in the early 18th century.

The Cherokee began ceding away their land claims in 1721.  Most of the land in Virginia/West Virginia/Kentucky was ceded to the English in 1770, the remainder, except for a small portion of Kentucky along the southern border was ceded in 1775. 

The land cessions are documented in Charles Royce's book "The Cherokee Nation of Indians" (The Cherokee Nation of Indians - Charles C. Royce - Google Books) published as a government report in 1887. 

A map which shows the extent of the original land claims and the various cessions can be found at the Library of Congress at:  Map of the former territorial limits of the Cherokee "Nation of" Indians ; Map showing the territory originally assigned Cherokee "Nation of" Indians. - plate VIII | Library of Congress (loc.gov)

An easier-to-understand map made by James Mooney in 1900 can be found at: cherokee_country_1900.jpg (2276×1556) (utexas.edu)  That map shows the extent of the original claims, the extent after the Revolutionary War, and the final boundaries after the Treaties of 1817 and 1819.  The last portion was relinquished in the Treaty of 1835 which led to the Trail of Tears.

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Reply 1.

For your consideration: Please see:

Source:  The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol 13, No. 3 (Jan, 1906, pp 225-264).  Published by:  Virginia Historical Society. 

Virginia and the Catawbas and Cherokees, A Treaty Between, 1756, page 225

pdf pages 258 - 296 of 596

*http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/resources/virginia-magazine-history-biography-v13.pdf

page 260 of 596

"See The Cherokee Nation of Indians, by Charles C. Royce, Fifth Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology. Mr. Royce appears, however, not to have read the Dinwiddie Papers, to have been ignorant of the treaty here printed, and is entirely, mistaken when he says (p. 145) that Fort Loudon was built by South Carolina."

286 VIRGINIA HISTORICA MAGAZINE.

Given at Williamsburg, under my Hand and the Great Seal this Colony, this Twenty-Third Day of December, One Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty-Five.

Robert Dinvviddie

In Confirmation of the above I give you a Belt of Wampum.

Robert Dinwiddie, Esquire, His Majesty's Lieutenant Governor, and Commander-in-Chief of the Colony and Dominion of Virginia.

To the Emperor, Old-Hop,* and the other Sachems, and Warriors, of the great Nation of the Cherokees.

Wishing Health and Prosperity.

page 286 of 596

* Old Hop was one of the principal chiefs of the Cherokees. Governor Dinwiddie, in a letter to Richard Pearis, August 2, 1754 {Dinwiddie Papers, I, 267), states that he had always thought that the "Emperor " was their chief man ; but that now he had learned that. Old Hop was. even a greater man he would treat him with due respect. He remained on friendly terms with the English during the whole of Dinwiddie's administration. His son was at the head of a delegation of Cherokees who had a consultation with Dinwiddie in Williamsburg on September 5, 1775, and the speech of the Cherokee, together with the

Governor's reply, are printed in the Dinwiddie Papers, II, 187-189.

page 268 of 596

* Attakullakulla, " King or Emperor" of the Cherokees, also called The Little Carpenter. About 1738 he was chosen vice-king under Oconostota. He was, at the time of the treaty a staunch friend of the English. After the massacre at Fort Loudon he rescued Captain Stuart and conducted him safely to the frontiers of Virginia.

page 277 of 596

And in Consequence thereof, the Governor was pleased to order Major Lewis, to march immediately with Sixty Men, Tools, Utensils, and Provisions to Choto, in the Cherokee Country, for that Service.

page 296 of 596

*http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/resources/virginia-magazine-history-biography-v13.pdf

Reply 2 to follow.

Best!

Richard Jordan, Amherst County, Virginia

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Virginia built a fort in the Cherokee Overhills, but that was NOT Fort Loudon which was built  at the direction of Governor Lyttleton of South Carolina.  60 Virginians under the command of a Major Lewis, in accordance with an agreement reached in 1755 and, arrived in spring 1756 to construct a log fort on the north bank of the Little Tennessee a mile above Chota.  When it was completed Lewis found the chiefs reluctant to send the warrior help that Dinwiddie was expecting.  Lewis could only get seven men and three women to accompany him back to Virginia.  He recommended to Dinwiddie that a military expedition be sent to crush the Cherokees into submission."  citing Hames, P.M.  "Anglo-French Rivalry in the Cherokee Country, 175401757.  North Carolina Historical Review.  The author of the 1906 article you cite was the person who misunderstood the records.  Captain Demere arrived from South Carolina in October of 1756 with 200 men including German engineer William De Brahm who was assigned to build the fort. Fort Loudon (Fort Loudoun State Historic Area – Fort Loudoun State Historic Area Tennessee) was built on a narrow ridge near the confluence of the Tellico River with the Little Tennessee south of present Knoxville.  It was completed in the summer of 1757.  De Brahm's Journal remains as a record of the events.

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Reply 2.

Please be advised of:

Ref: Horace Richard Rice, The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee: The Colors and Culture of a Virginian Indian Community, BRC Books, 1991 - Amherst County (Va.) - 205 pages

Best!

Richard Jordan, Amherst County, Virginia

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There is no documentation to support any Cherokee community in this area or the claims of the so-called "Buffalo Ridge Cherokee." The Indian trails that led to Williamsburg crossed North Carolina, not Virginia.

Answer 1

I am a direct descendant of Nannie Tadpole and am the manager of her profile. I will add sources as I am able. Any help is appreciated.

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Added references to Starr and Drennan Roll, removed "unsourced"

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Nice work.

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I added a firsthand account from her granddaughter that confirms some of the details in her biography. It is found in the Western Heritage collection at Oklahoma University. Pretty interesting read.