trying to find 1861 census for Glendinnings of Cumberland

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I have a Andrew Glendinning born in 1859, Carlisle

His christening shows his parents as Andrew Glendinning and Mary but I can not find his parents marriage or him in 1861 and 1871 hopefully with his parents

There is a possble sister Anne born in 1850 but can not find her either in 1861

this is Andrew's christening

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBQJ-88Y : 30 December 2014, Andrew Glendinning, 03 Aug 1859); citing WETHERAL,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 90,675, 90,676.

WikiTree profile: Andrew Glendinning
in Genealogy Help by Steph Meredith G2G6 Mach 8 (82.2k points)

Andrew Glendinning

 in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

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    Name: Andrew Glendinning
    Gender: Male
    Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1859
    Baptism Place: Christ Church,Carlisle,Cumberland,England
    Father: James Glendinning
    Mother: Mary
    FHL Film Number: 90587, 90588
    This one could make more sense Betty as he was registered in first quarter of 1859
    Stephanie, I'm a bit confused by this question as you're asking for Andrew in the 1861 and 1871 census "hopefully with his parents", yet on the profile you linked you already have the 1871 census linked and the info it contains.

    Is it just the wedding info and the 1861census that you need?  I'm not coming up with a wedding for this couple yet, I'll try and find them on the 1861 census.

    Here is Andrew with parents

    Andrew Glendinning

     in the 1881 Scotland Census

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      Name: Andrew Glendinning
      Age: 41
      Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
      Relationship: Brother
      Gender: Male
      Where born: Eskdalemuir, Dumfriesshire
      Registration Number: 824
      Registration district: Eskdalemuir
      Civil Parish: Eskdalemuir
      County: Dumfriesshire
      Address: Over Cassock
      Occupation: Farmer'S Brother
      ED: 4
      Household schedule number: 21
      LINE: 13
      Roll: cssct1881_322
      Household Members:
      Name Age
      James Glendinning 47
      Mary Glendinning 28
      James Archibald Glendinning 11
      Jane Glendinning 5
      Mary Cavin Glendinning 4
      Robert Henderson Glendinning 2
      Andrew Glendinning 11 Mo
      Elisabeth Brydon Glendinning 39
      Robert Pringle 20
      Jane McNaught 19
      Mary Fleming 16
      John Gallagher 50
      Andrew Glendinning 41
      Your Andrew is about 20 yrs too old or 19 yrs too young, depending which one we're looking at, and he's in Dalston, Cumberland in the 1881 census, it's already in his profile.

      Can you see if the family are in Scotland for the 1861 census?  It could be why they don't show up in the English 1861... possibly! :)
      Hmmm. Maybe not. They use the same names a lot.

      Andrew Glendinning

       in the 1939 England and Wales Register

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        Name: Andrew Glendinning
        Gender: Male
        Marital Status: Widowed
        Birth Date: 20 Feb 1859
        Residence Year: 1939
        Address: Paddockwray
        Residence Place: Millom, Cumberland, England
        Occupation: Retired coachman
        Schedule Number: 94
        Sub Schedule Number: 3
        Enumeration District: HCRD
        Registration district: 578 1
        Household Members:
        Name
        Benjamin Armstrong
        Mary G Armstrong
        Andrew Glendinning
        I managed to find 1871 before I went to work and forgot to post thank you Brenda

        And hopefully not to confuse things too much, but there is a 12yr old James Glendinning on the 1841 census in Wetheral.  His Father and a brother are both called Andrew and his Father was born in Scotland, but not James.

        "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73F-4C3 : 13 December 2017), James Glendinning in household of Andrew Glendinning, Wetheral, Cumberland, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

        And another, slightly older James (aged 15) on the 1841 census in Kirklington, with a Father, William, bn in Scotland, again with James bn in Cumberland.

        "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73N-775 : 13 December 2017), James Glendining in household of William Glendining, Kirklinton, Cumberland, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

         

        However, in the 1851 census there is a 20 yr old James bn in Scotland working as an unmarried Farm Servant in Brampton.

         

        "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2L-8R4 : 9 November 2017), James Glendining in household of Joshua Routledge, , Cumberland, England; citing , Cumberland, England, p. 35, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

        Stephanie

        I've tried everything I can think of to find a wedding certificate/registration for your couple but I'm coming up empty handed.  Ditto with the 1861 census, it's possible they were missed, it's possible where ever they lived was missed and it's possible that their returns were damaged and can't be scanned (I've had all three happen to me).

        I have found another possible sibling though... born in Guisborough in North Yorkshire in 1857.  I would have dismissed it as a coincidence if it wasn't for a death registration for what appears to be the same chap in Carlisle in 1861:

        GLENDINNING, JOSEPH         GOODFELLOW          
        GRO Reference: 1856  D Quarter in GUISBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 390

        GLENDINNING, JOSEPH         4       
        GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 278

         

        Hope you get it figured out eventually!
        Thank you Brenda I managed to find the 1871 census which is the only one that shows his father born in scotland every other one except 1861, which I am still trying to locate shows his father born in cumberland

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        Just to fill out the family, his sister Mary married John Thompson in 1878 in Aikton.

        "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVMF-8QT : 10 February 2018), John Thompson and Mary Glendinning, 02 Feb 1878; citing Aikton,Cumberland,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 252,849.

        by Brenda Butler G2G6 Mach 4 (42.3k points)
        selected by Betty Fox
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        Some variant spellings that might be worth trying include: Glendining, Glendenning, Glendening or Clendinning. Since he was born in Carlisle it might also be worth checking on the other side of the border for the missing census years. His parents may well have been from Scotland and could have been married there. Also, at that time in that period, if they were non-conformists they may have opted for an Irregular Border Marriage to avoid marrying in the Church of England.
        by Lynda Crackett G2G6 Pilot (630k points)
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        There were two births registered in Carlisle in 1859, for Andrew Glendinning. Mother's maiden names were Goodfellow & Tweddle.
        by R W G2G6 Pilot (260k points)
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        The family are on the 1871 census in Cumberland, and there are many more siblings to help you identify the mother's maiden name from.  Father is listed as being born in Scotland and is called James.

        "England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51Q-WN2 : 10 December 2017), Andrew Glendining in entry for James Glendining, 1871.

        by Brenda Butler G2G6 Mach 4 (42.3k points)
        edited by Brenda Butler
        And all siblings were registered in either Penrith, Carlisle or Wigton with the Mother's maiden name of Goodfellow.

        There are a number of Mary Goodfellow's born in Cumbria, but I can only find the one in Stapleton, Mother is Mary Goodfellow too:

        "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3XJ-4B7 : 11 February 2018, Mary Goodfellow, 17 Jul 1835); citing STAPLETON,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 90,665.

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