trying to find 1861 census for Glendinnings of Cumberland

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I have a Andrew Glendinning born in 1859, Carlisle

His christening shows his parents as Andrew Glendinning and Mary but I can not find his parents marriage or him in 1861 and 1871 hopefully with his parents

There is a possble sister Anne born in 1850 but can not find her either in 1861

this is Andrew's christening

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBQJ-88Y : 30 December 2014, Andrew Glendinning, 03 Aug 1859); citing WETHERAL,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 90,675, 90,676.

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Andrew Glendinning

 in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

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Name:	Andrew Glendinning
Gender:	Male
Baptism Date:	20 Mar 1859
Baptism Place:	Christ Church,Carlisle,Cumberland,England
Father:	James Glendinning
Mother:	Mary
FHL Film Number:	90587, 90588

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This one could make more sense Betty as he was registered in first quarter of 1859

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Stephanie, I'm a bit confused by this question as you're asking for Andrew in the 1861 and 1871 census "hopefully with his parents", yet on the profile you linked you already have the 1871 census linked and the info it contains.

Is it just the wedding info and the 1861census that you need?  I'm not coming up with a wedding for this couple yet, I'll try and find them on the 1861 census.

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Here is Andrew with parents

Andrew Glendinning

 in the 1881 Scotland Census

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Name:	Andrew Glendinning
Age:	41
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1840
Relationship:	Brother
Gender:	Male
Where born:	Eskdalemuir, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number:	824
Registration district:	Eskdalemuir
Civil Parish:	Eskdalemuir
County:	Dumfriesshire
Address:	Over Cassock
Occupation:	Farmer'S Brother
ED:	4
Household schedule number:	21
LINE:	13
Roll:	cssct1881_322
Household Members:	Name Age James Glendinning 47 Mary Glendinning 28 James Archibald Glendinning 11 Jane Glendinning 5 Mary Cavin Glendinning 4 Robert Henderson Glendinning 2 Andrew Glendinning 11 Mo Elisabeth Brydon Glendinning 39 Robert Pringle 20 Jane McNaught 19 Mary Fleming 16 John Gallagher 50 Andrew Glendinning 41

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Your Andrew is about 20 yrs too old or 19 yrs too young, depending which one we're looking at, and he's in Dalston, Cumberland in the 1881 census, it's already in his profile.

Can you see if the family are in Scotland for the 1861 census?  It could be why they don't show up in the English 1861... possibly! :)

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Hmmm. Maybe not. They use the same names a lot.

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Andrew Glendinning

 in the 1939 England and Wales Register

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Name:	Andrew Glendinning
Gender:	Male
Marital Status:	Widowed
Birth Date:	20 Feb 1859
Residence Year:	1939
Address:	Paddockwray
Residence Place:	Millom, Cumberland, England
Occupation:	Retired coachman
Schedule Number:	94
Sub Schedule Number:	3
Enumeration District:	HCRD
Registration district:	578 1
Household Members:	Name Benjamin Armstrong Mary G Armstrong Andrew Glendinning

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I managed to find 1871 before I went to work and forgot to post thank you Brenda

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And hopefully not to confuse things too much, but there is a 12yr old James Glendinning on the 1841 census in Wetheral.  His Father and a brother are both called Andrew and his Father was born in Scotland, but not James.

"England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73F-4C3 : 13 December 2017), James Glendinning in household of Andrew Glendinning, Wetheral, Cumberland, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

And another, slightly older James (aged 15) on the 1841 census in Kirklington, with a Father, William, bn in Scotland, again with James bn in Cumberland.

"England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73N-775 : 13 December 2017), James Glendining in household of William Glendining, Kirklinton, Cumberland, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.

 

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However, in the 1851 census there is a 20 yr old James bn in Scotland working as an unmarried Farm Servant in Brampton.

 

"England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2L-8R4 : 9 November 2017), James Glendining in household of Joshua Routledge, , Cumberland, England; citing , Cumberland, England, p. 35, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

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Stephanie

I've tried everything I can think of to find a wedding certificate/registration for your couple but I'm coming up empty handed.  Ditto with the 1861 census, it's possible they were missed, it's possible where ever they lived was missed and it's possible that their returns were damaged and can't be scanned (I've had all three happen to me).

I have found another possible sibling though... born in Guisborough in North Yorkshire in 1857.  I would have dismissed it as a coincidence if it wasn't for a death registration for what appears to be the same chap in Carlisle in 1861:

GLENDINNING, JOSEPH         GOODFELLOW          
GRO Reference: 1856  D Quarter in GUISBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 390

GLENDINNING, JOSEPH         4       
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 278

 

Hope you get it figured out eventually!

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Thank you Brenda I managed to find the 1871 census which is the only one that shows his father born in scotland every other one except 1861, which I am still trying to locate shows his father born in cumberland

Answer 1

Just to fill out the family, his sister Mary married John Thompson in 1878 in Aikton.

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVMF-8QT : 10 February 2018), John Thompson and Mary Glendinning, 02 Feb 1878; citing Aikton,Cumberland,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 252,849.

Answer 2

Some variant spellings that might be worth trying include: Glendining, Glendenning, Glendening or Clendinning. Since he was born in Carlisle it might also be worth checking on the other side of the border for the missing census years. His parents may well have been from Scotland and could have been married there. Also, at that time in that period, if they were non-conformists they may have opted for an Irregular Border Marriage to avoid marrying in the Church of England.

Answer 3

There were two births registered in Carlisle in 1859, for Andrew Glendinning. Mother's maiden names were Goodfellow & Tweddle.

Answer 4

The family are on the 1871 census in Cumberland, and there are many more siblings to help you identify the mother's maiden name from.  Father is listed as being born in Scotland and is called James.

"England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51Q-WN2 : 10 December 2017), Andrew Glendining in entry for James Glendining, 1871.

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And all siblings were registered in either Penrith, Carlisle or Wigton with the Mother's maiden name of Goodfellow.

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There are a number of Mary Goodfellow's born in Cumbria, but I can only find the one in Stapleton, Mother is Mary Goodfellow too:

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3XJ-4B7 : 11 February 2018, Mary Goodfellow, 17 Jul 1835); citing STAPLETON,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 90,665.