Jeremiah Vail to Salem 1639, are there any good sources for his origin in England?

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I just changed the status of Jeremiah Vail's parents to uncertain.  But I am wondering if I should actually disconnect them.  

Is there any good evidence that Jeremiah Vail was born in Norfolk, or in Suffolk, or "in the west of England" (as his biography presently states)?  There is the same problem with his probable brother Thomas Vail.

Anderson (2015) in the Great Migration Directory says the origin of Jeremiah Vail is unknown.
WikiTree profile: Jeremiah Vail
in Genealogy Help by Kenneth Kinman G2G6 Mach 7 (75.0k points)

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The cited source on the page for Jeremiah, claiming his parents as Thomas and Elizabeth (that is: Genealogy of Some of the Vail Family Descended from Jeremiah Vail at Salem, Mass, 1639, by Henry H Vail. Published in New York : DeVinne Press, 1902. 371p. Pg. 29. ) doesn't actually claim those parents. It says instead:

"JEREMIAH VAIL, b. probably in the west of England about 1618;"
by Anne B G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
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Thanks for the information.  I made some minor corrections to his biography.  

I also removed Norwich, Norfolk, as his birth place.  That was actually the origin of his second wife Mary Folger.
Kenneth, I would remove them.  The bio says "it has been claimed" they were his parents but with no source, I would add a sentence with a link to their profiles noting that they were detached for lack of evidence.  Thanks for cleaning up this profile!

I am very tempted to remove them.  Jeremiah is supposedly a brother of Thomas Vail, and although findagrave also shows Thomas as being born in Southwold, Suffolk, it says that he is a son of John Vail and Alice More.  So that is another set of parents to consider:   https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93015068/thomas-vail 

If there was some proof that Thomas & Jeremiah were actually brothers, then using a new "Unknown Vail" father to link them is the usual convention.  Reading through both profiles I didn't see any proof of a relationship though.

I tend to the more conservative approach of only putting something in the data section and in family linkage if it's fairly well proven, so I would put in a note that "possibly they were brothers but no proof has been found" or something.  Have you seen any decent sources that make the assertion?
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There is an uploaded image of a 1662 Southold document signed by Jeremiah Veyl with an umlaut over the Y.

That may be a clue as to the origin of the family.
by Anne X G2G6 Mach 2 (29.4k points)
Hi Anne,   Thank you very much for that upload.  I have never seen an umlaut over a "y".  I am wondering if instead of "y" that it might be "ij" with two dots above those two letters.
Could be!  I have seen this document transcribed into a typewritten page and whoever did that put an umlaut over the y.   Yet when I just googled Veijl there were some results!

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