Help Check Citations

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Would anyone who is experienced with citation styles please check the citation I have on this profile?

This is the first I've done, other than linking the associated Ancestry fact pages. There are more things that I could add, but I'm not sure how valuable they would be.

How do people have the time to write out every citation?
WikiTree profile: Jeff Phelps
in Policy and Style by Lisa Linn G2G6 Mach 9 (94.1k points)

Last name: Phelps

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Recorded in over one hundred spelling forms from Phillipus, Philip, Phipps, Phelps, and apparently Pherps, and found through Christendom, this is a surname of Greek origins. However spelt it derives from the personal name of Ancient Greek origins "Philippos", a compound of the words "philein" meaning to love and "hippos", a horse; and hence "lover of horses". Philip of Macedon, the father of Alexander the Great, was the first famous bearer of the name, and its popularity throughout Greece and Asia Minor was largely due to him. The name was borne by five kings of France, including Philip 1st, who reigned from 1060 to 1108. It entered England via France in the 12th Century and appears as "Filippus" in the "Documents relating to the Danelaw", for Lincolnshire in the year 1142. Henry Phelipe was noted in the Hundred Rolls of Norfolk in 1273 and the patronymic form of the name also appears at this time, with the final "-s" being a reduced form of "son of". John Phippes is registered in the Calendar of Plea and Memoranda Rolls in 1364, and the Phipps family, the marquesses of Normandy and earls of Mulgrave, are descended from Constantine Phipps (1656 - 1723), Lord Chancellor of Ireland. A slightly more humble cousin Sir William Phipps (1651 - 1695), was born in Maine, America, where his parents had emigrated. He was originally a ship's carpenter, but was knighted by Charles 11, and rose to become Governor of Massachusetts. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Alicia Philippes, which was dated 1273, in the "Hundred Rolls of Huntingdonshire". Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

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That might account for the Italian/Greek in my DNA that didn't make any sense to me! Thanks for the heads up!

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I think they look alright, although I am not a stickler for citation format.  People could find them to verify them if they wanted to.  I would suggest that you look them up at wherever possible, and provide the link.  Which also answers your other question:  FamilySearch provides a well-formatted citation (including link) that you can copy and paste into your WT profile.  Huge timesaver.

I further recommend that you not use links to Ancestry Person pages as sources.  First, not everyone can see them because not everyone pays for Ancestry membership.  Second, Ancestry entries are notoriously unreliable as to accuracy.  It all depends on how diligent the Ancestry user was in sourcing the information.  What matters is what sources underlie the Ancestry entry.  Third, a source that is nothing more than "[1]" is particularly unhelpful, even if it is a hyperlink.

Yes, WT profiling is time consuming and often duplicates other work.  It pays off, IMO, and with use you will find methods to reduce the effort.  Hang in there!
by Living Tardy G2G6 Pilot (776k points)
selected by Lisa Linn
Thanks Herbert. I know those Ancestry links don't work for many people. I don't spend much time on Family Search but I'll check out those citations. No way do I have the time to do what I did on my dad's page today! :-\

First one's on me:

"Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013," database with images, FamilySearch ( : 10 December 2017), Jefferson J Phelps and Betty J Sisty, 28 Nov 1950; citing Henry, Ohio, United States, reference ; county courthouses, Ohio; FHL microfilm 2,251,752.

Good luck!

Ha! I just got done re-doing them all using your advice and Family Search. I'm not really comfortable with that site yet, but I'll get there! I didn't however, copy the whole source info, but titled and linked it instead. Will that work? If you want to "check" the new sources listed, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again.

I'm sure they're right, but maybe you're making it harder than necessary?  I think much of the info about the source is buried in the hyperlink, and it doesn't look like a source citation.  The reader has to click the link to find out whether he or she wants to see the link.  I took the liberty of dropping one in for your ggf TJ Phelps, as an example.  It was the first one that came up when I searched him on FS.  Pull up the search, click on a likely-looking record.  If it's the right person, copy the bit under 'Citing this Record' and paste it into your bio (preceded by a *).  Boom, done.  :)

Hope that helps,

Yes! Thank You!

My pleasure!

How do I add likes and emojis here? Herb surely deserves one!
Haha!  You did the gold-star thing, plenty enough.  Pay it forward!
Now my citations look different than everyone else's. I checked multiple different profiles to see sources and none look like mine :-( How do I fix this? Check my grandmother here:

Most of mine look like that, and I've had no complaints.  It's because I seldom write narrative biographies.  Example:


The next step is to learn to use in-line citations, which work much better with narratives.  Such as

Does the second one look more like what you had in mind?

Again, thank you. On most pages I see [1] etc. down the page. There should be a way to put the name of the source and link to the site in the same place without showing the entire URL. So it would look like this:

[ "Ontario Births, 1869-1912,"] but would be linked to the citation.

Profiles come in all kinds of styles.  I suggest you find an Open profile in the style you like.  Click the Edit button so you can see what codes, etc, the author used to make it look that way.

You should also read the style guide and try to follow it (not everyone does).

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