Is there a project that covers these pre-1700 people?

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I'm working on my maternal grandfather's family line and his ancestor (Carr-9224) was born in Scotland in 1684. My source is a detailed book (it's not a hard-copy or anything but I don't know what else to call it)  outlining the family line as far back as the 1350's but it get's really muddy after (Carr-9224)'s grandfather. The source that I have, "Notes on the Carr Family of Loudoun County, VIrginia", only provides details obtained from documents and reports in Virginia. I'd like to see if there's any information outside of Virginia.
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in The Tree House by Nicki Grant G2G1 (1.7k points)
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I formatted the profile for you and added a find a grave source.
The earlier part should be the easiest part.  Unless it's totally fictitious (don't laugh, you'd be amazed what people make up), it'll be taken from published work.

The hard part will be connecting the immigrant to the published work.

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One good source for the Carr/Kerr line is Burke's Peerage.  Using that, Geni, Ancestry, the Carr family books, etc. I have traced Nancy Elizabeth Carr back to 1085, although many sources differ on where the original Kerr's came from  Kind of have to decide which source you want to believe

One theory is our remote forebears left Southern Norway with RoIf the Ganger — or Rollo the Walker — thus called because he was too tall and long-legged to ride, and therefore strode ahead of his berserkers on their ponies. They settled in the angle of Brittany and the Cherbourg peninsula in 911, then came to England in 1066 in the retinue of de Bruys, the ancestor of the Bruces. He took up land near Preston and they received their small share of it as his gamekeepers, an occupation also followed by John Ker of Stobo four generations later (the "Hunter of Swynhope" and the first recorded Scotsman to bear our name; he is mentioned as taking part in a rough-and-ready land survey, or "perambulation", in 1190).

The alternate theory is that the line of the Carr family goes back to the Old Testament times to a tribe which were standard bearers to the King.  The name in Hebrew was Kir (Isaiah 15:1 and 22:6).  The word Ker (Kir) signifies strength and carried this same meaning in the Bible.

Many of the Kers, Keers, Kerrs, earrs, Carres, Carrs in the British Isles, Scotland and Ireland have been traced to one Baron William Karrie (Karre), who came from France with William, Duke of Normandy and fought at Hastings in 1066.  His name appears on the Role of Battle Abbey as "Karre", which was suspended in the Abbey.  His posterity evidently settled in the north of England and during succeeding generations migrated into Scotland and Ireland.  His descendants, two brothers, Ralph and John, passed over into Scotland from England during the 13th century and founded the two illustrious Houses, Carr of Fernhihurst, now represented by the Marquess of Lothian and Kerr of Cessford, whose chief is the Duke of Roxburghe.

by Nici Mahlandt G2G Crew (380 points)
I am also related to Nancy Elizabeth Carr born 1770 in VA.  I have had some difficulty tracing her back to Scotland and would love it if you could share what you have found with me.
Thank so much for this information.  Very interesting.  I would add however, that the surname Karr is very closely tied to Kerr and was not listed.  As background, my gggfather came to America in 1798 as Kerr, but immigration spelled the name Karr and from then on we became Karr.

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