Find A Grave citation replaced by a template

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Lately, I've come across several profiles where someone replaced a Family Search Citation for Find a Grave with the Template for Find a Grave.  

Is it not still the case that, if a citation is available, it is preferable to a template?  I use a citation and I add the template so I can go directly to the memorial.  But I only use the template by itself if the Find a Grave profile has yet to be indexed by Family Search.  

Has this been officially changed somewhere?
asked in Policy and Style by J. Crook G2G6 Pilot (151k points)
Their citation can be further be improved by replacing the generic https://www.findagrave.com with the url of the memorial page to give you a direct link.Not sure why they did not format it this way as the link embedded in the memorial number goes away once you cut and paste the citation.
I do add the template to their citation.  But some people are replacing my citations with just the template.  So I go back in and add the complete citation, along with the template.  I'm just not sure why people are doing this, so it's encouraging that others also still use the citation.

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Yes a citation should be  preferred but why are you not then using the Citation provided by Find A Grave itself instead of citing an index? I must admit I usually just use the template for Find A Grave as that is what the Wikitree X Chrome extension creates when I add information to the various profiles. 

It is always better to have a direct citation rather than one that can leave you running through hoops to actually check the information. 

answered by Darren Kellett G2G6 Mach 7 (73.2k points)
selected by Jeanne Howell
I use the citation, but I add the template --this part {{FindAGrave|number of memorial}} because the Family Search citation doesn't lead one directly to the memorial.  But using the template without the citation--that I find annoying (unless I have no choice).

What Darren was trying to impart is that Find A Grave now provides a citation that leads directly back to the memorial.  You can just copy/paste their citation and then you no longer need to provide the FamilySearch citation and the template.

At Find A Grave, right next to the memorial number is a link called "View Source."  Click on that baby and you find:

Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 22 May 2018), memorial page for Andrew J Ream (30 Jun 1828–9 Apr 1902), Find A Grave Memorial no. 34714437, citing Ream-Reddig Family Cemetery, Reamstown, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, USA ; Maintained by Dana Dancy (contributor 46998072) .                        

The only thing bad is the misplacement of the period at the end. 

Okay.  Well, that's nice.  I won't be using those personally.  I honestly do not care who created or maintains a Find a Grave profile.  I say this as someone who has created over 3000 profiles.  I do not consider that an important part of the citation.
I've seen a few of those.  So are people now going to go in and change my Family Search citation to a Find a Grave citation?  Because that's happened a couple of times too.
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The FindAGrave template is an external link template and is only meant to replace the generic link to the Findagrave homepage that is in the FamilySearch citation. Alternately, it can be added to the citation without replacing the generic link (that's my preferred method).

The template by itself is not a proper citation. Also, it is not required.

Any member who is deleting the citation and replacing it with only the template should be informed that doing so is incorrect procedure.

 

answered by Lindy Jones G2G6 Pilot (151k points)
I'm glad this is true.
Is this policy documented somewhere in the Help Pages ? Then we'd have something to point to when we contact people making these changes?
have to say I am now
confused.  So agree a help page would be useful.

Here is an example of a citation which has been changed only today by a data doctor. Several others have been changed by the same DD  in a similar way. (Citation hopefully anonymised)
"Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/********/Joe Bloggs : accessed 17 May 2018), memorial page for name here  (1882–1935), Find A Grave Memorial no. 142277596, citing Webster Cemetery, Franklin County, Maine, USA ; Maintained by H.Cook~Maine (contributor 47312104) .

To a simple link https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/******
 The first is a very full citation, the second uninformative.  

Another citation has been changed from" Joe Bloggs on {{FindAGrave|**********}} 19:20, 17 May 2018 (UTC) to "https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/**********

I suspect that the DD is also confused .

What exactly should the citation look like?
While I don't like the format of the Find a Grave citation at all, it is much better than just using the Find a Grave template alone, or just using a link.  This help page was linked to earlier:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Links_to_FindAGrave

I like what Eddie King says--he just does it his way and ignores all the requirements.  But probably only Eddie King can get away with that.
Not even Eddie is exempt :)
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Using FamilySearch record for FindAGrave is bad for another reason. Records were imported to FS at certain point. and they don't update them. So if FAG memorial is changed, merged or deleted, FS doesn't know that. I saw a few cases, where FAG had updated dates and FS didn't.

So you should not cite FamilySearch records for FindAGrave. You should cite the FindAGrave directly.
answered by Aleš Trtnik G2G6 Pilot (340k points)
What would be great is to have the WikiTree FAG template output more of a citation format, that includes the link to the memorial, instead of just a simple link.
Actually, Ales, that's ridiculous.  I should not cite Find a grave directly because their citation format is inferior to that of Family Search.  But I'm certain that you guys will soon make this mandatory, since you like it better that way.
Just because FamilySearch has nicer citation, it shouldn't be used instead of FindAGrave one. That citation can be out of date or link to nonexisting memorial. Especially you shouldn't set dates and locations based on data on FamilySearch Record for FAG memorial. You should always check the memorial itself.
Ales, every single location on the Internet is to be cited with the date it was accessed.  That is standard citation procedure.  I do not have to use a pathetic citation structure, such as those provided by Ancestry, or the recent ones I've seen provided by FindAGrave.  If it's a non-existent memorial, your suggestion report will catch it, or I'll notice next time I visit FindAGrave.  Any FindAGrave memorial can be deleted by anyone who manages it at any time.  I could go in this week and delete all 3,800 that I've added myself (not that I'm going to).  Any citation can become inaccurate; however, by providing the date you accessed the website, you're stating, it was accurate on that date.  Citation formats, such as MLA actually prefer that you link to the general website, because it is less likely to change with time.  Academic articles are given a DOI--a static web identifier which does not change--but they are the exceptions to the rule.  There's no reason for Wikitree to ignore established precedent in citation.  For example, the Purdue OWL examples MLA's position on the use of URLs on this page: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/747/08/  Family Search includes the date accessed as part of the citation, so I will continue to use it as a preferred citation format.

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