Magna Carta Sureties

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I clicked on each member of this Magna Carta Sureties, how is it that I am related to all memebers? my common ancestors are on each  search, I'm confused,


in Genealogy Help by Rhonda Aminian G2G1 (1.1k points)
edited by Maggie N.

What's less common is to be a lineal descendant of only a couple of them. They were peers and allies, and their families intermarried. If you're descended from Quincy, probably most all the others are a great (x23-26) grand also - usually through the same immigrant ancestor. In your case, that's & he's a Richardson-documented Gateway Ancestor, meaning his ancestry to a surety baron is traced in Douglas Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry.

Saher de Quincy-226 is my 25th Great also, and you are right they range from 23rd Greats to 27th Greats.

As RJ and others pointed out, the surety barons were all of the same social class so their families all intermarried. Later descendants often have multiple connections - I specifically went through the lines that connected to Gateway Ancestor Olive Welby since she's connected to at least 13 of them.

(I'm going to check your connections just in case...)

The gateway ancestor that comes up most often for you is John Throckmorton (MCA v.4 p. 191) 

thanks so much for your answer

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+10 votes
Because they were all related to each other LOL
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (2.0m points)
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‚ÄčI am also related to just about everyone of them, except those few whose parents are unknown, Like William Hardell-1 , John Fitzhugh-520 , and Robert de Roppesley-1

by Keith Mann Spencer G2G6 Mach 3 (33.1k points)
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I've been looking at this.  Turns out it was a family affair.  When it came to finding a list of 25 sureties, the ringleader Robert Fitzwalter started with his own family and didn't have to look much further.  His own 1st and 2nd cousins supplied more than half the sureties and the wives of several more.

His niece Maud Pecche was Lanvallei's wife.

His aunt Maud was Albini's mother.

His grandmother Maud de St Liz was grandmother of Quincy and Huntingfield by her 2nd marriage.

His great-grandmother Maud of Huntingdon became Queen of Scotland by her 2nd marriage and was an ancestor of Bohun and Ros's wife.

His grandfather was the brother of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare.  Gilbert's daughter Alice was ancestor of Vere, the Bigods, Lacy and Clavering.  Her brother Richard was ancestor of the Clares and Say's wife.  Their brother Gilbert fitz Gilbert was ancestor of Marshall jr and 2 more wives.  Gilbert fitz Richard was also an ancestor of Percy, Montfichet and Forz's wife.

Many of the sureties had other cousinships by descent from the Bigod sisters, though Fitzwalter himself wasn't one of that set.
by Living Horace G2G6 Pilot (649k points)

What a great post RJ! It wonderfully illustrates how interrelated the surety barons were.

Their profiles can all be found [here], including "ringleader Robert Fitzwalter" and his nephew-in-law Lanvallei. Some of the other folks mentioned in RJ's post:

I'll leave you to explore the others on your own :D

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