Notables June 2018

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Hear Ye!! Hear Ye!!

If you are interested in people who are famous, notable, noted, significant, important, historic, heroic, or otherwise fascinating, then the Notables Project might be for you!

The idea behind this post is for anyone who needs help with connecting Notables to the tree to post to this thread and ask for help.

Or if you just want to tell us whom you have successfully connected up.

Above is the Notables Project page where you can find unconnected Notables who have profiles and who need to be connected to the tree.

NO THEME this month.

Please remember to concentrate on those Notables who have already passed (died), so that we can see their profiles.

If you create a profile for a living Notable, that profile WILL GO UNLISTED and noone can see it except for the PM and anyone on the trusted list!!

And remember - Notables should have a Wikipedia page at the very least to qualify. And they should be DEAD!!

Have fun!!

asked in The Tree House by Robynne Lozier G2G6 Pilot (293k points)
retagged by Robynne Lozier
Just a quick reference - Wikipedia tracks all Notable deaths (that they have - it's possible they miss some from time to time as well).

You can find information in this link for all deaths they have in 2018.
Thanks Scott!!

I have always assumed that an entry in some other dictionary, like the Dictionary of National Biography, would make a person notable, whether they're in Wikipedia or not.


Can you repost your comment as an answer so that we can all discuss this? I personally think its a good idea, but I dont know how feasible it is.


Would someone in Administration please check Steuer-30 in the Unlisted List and see if it is Jon Paul Steuer? He died on Jan. 1, 2018. He was an actor on Star Trek and would need that category added if it is not already there. Thanks!

Steuer-30 was born in the 1920's - Jon Paul Steuer was born in 1984. I can say definitively that they're not the same person. Based on what I can see in the system, we have no profile for Jon Paul Steuer at this time. As far as I can tell, both parents are still living and I see no evidence of marriages or children, so he might be a tough one to get information on.

His father's name isn't clear (Mr. Steuer) and I was able to find his mother's maiden name (Miss Page).

"California Birth Index, 1905-1995," database, FamilySearch ( : 27 November 2014), Jon Paul Steuer, 27 Mar 1984; citing San Diego, California, United States, Department of Health Services, Vital Statistics Department, Sacramento.

I'm afraid other than these small tidbits, I'm pretty much coming up blank. Good luck if you want to start a profile for him.

Thank you Scott. My main concern was to get an Unlisted flipped if we already had one; and I agree that with 2 living parents, linking to the main tree is improbable.

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With the GDPR and the profiles of living people (including notables) going unlisted, I'm thinking that we should start a sub-page to the Notables Project, and move all the living notables to that sub-page: partly because people can't work on living notables (well, okay, strictly speaking, they could ask to be on the Trusted List, but that doesn't scale well), and partly so we have a single place with entries already created, so that when we hear of a notable passing, it's easy to find their profile, put in a death date, change the privacy setting from Unlisted to Open, and move their entry back to the main page.

answered by Greg Slade G2G6 Pilot (116k points)
selected ago by Janettee McCrary

Thank you for doing that, Rebecca. I have spent several months working on that page. (The line headings are supposed to be bronze, actually. The series runs iron-bronze-silver-gold.) Part of the problem is that there are way more notables already on WikiTree than could possibly be listed on a single page. (Or at least, a lot of people's browsers would crash trying to load that page if we tried.) More urgently, that page is so huge that nobody (or at least nobody who has a life) could possibly keep it up.

So I've been thinking of different ways to try to bring that page down to a more manageable size. Still, the sheer number of people involved would probably mean implementing several of these (or other) ideas in order to get the page(s) down to a size that mere humans can keep up. (I'm talking about humans here, not Aleš, because I'm pretty sure that he's an artificial intelligence program running on a supercomputer.)

  1. Move the profiles which have been listed in the gold section to a separate sub-page after they've been on the main page for a set number of months. (This could actually serve a couple of purposes, as we could point to the profiles listed on the gold pages as examples of how to do profiles "right". Although to be honest, I still haven't finished working through the gold section and moving those profiles listed there down to the silver or bronze section if they're missing crucial elements. I started at the top of the list, and you can probably see pretty clearly how far down the list I've made it so far.)
  2. Break up the page into sub-pages, with the content at the top left where it is, and the iron, bronze, silver, and gold sections moved to separate pages (with new header material for each). (And, presumably, different people managing each page, and "handing off" profiles from one page to another as the profiles are improved to meet the standards for the different levels.)
  3. Remove all the people from the list who are notable for something that's already covered by another project. For example, Notable Fantasians would be covered by the Fantasia Project, people who are notable for their part in War X would be covered by the War X Project, and so on. This could reduce the list by a whole bunch, and as new projects are formed, we could "shed" even more notables. (I'm thinking that this might entail a new sticker for profiles which are notable, but managed by other projects. Or maybe edit the Notables sticker so that {{Notables}} by itself tells people to look on the Notables Project page, but {{Notables|Fantasia}} tells people to look on the Fantasia Project page.)

So moving living notables to a separate sub-page is really just another example of possible strategies to shorten down the Notables Project page to a size we can work with.

I should also say that anybody can make sub-pages as free-space profiles. Just copy the contents of the existing into the new sub-page, add new header material, delete everything from the new sub-page that you're keeping on the main page (like deceased notables, in the case of this particular suggestion), delete the stuff you've moved to the sub-page from the main page (in this case, living notables), put in reciprocal links, and Bob's your uncle. However, if we want the sub-pages to be project pages, rather than free-space profiles, then I'm pretty sure that a leader needs to create them, although they can set who can edit them.

The {{Notables Sticker|Fantasia}} trick would work like a charm, as long as the [[Category:Fantasia]] exists. As an example, I use {{Notables Sticker|French Notables}} for the notables covered by French Roots and it works fine. Groups all "my" notables together in the category. But even with only just the French Notables, keeping them all listed in a single page is not feasible. Eventually they'll probably be broken up into French Authors, Painters, Politicians, Entertainers, Scientists, etc.

That's great that sorting it into categories works, Isabelle, but what I was thinking of was having it so that the pipe changed the wording on the sticker, too. The old template put this text up:

James (Krafft) Kraft is notable.
Join: Notables Project

So what I was thinking about was having it so that whatever came after the pipe would determine the wording on the sticker, thus:

Ferdinand Grubstake is a notable Fantasian.
Join: Fantasia Project

So notables covered by other projects would still have, in a sense, the Notables Project Seal of Approval™, but it would also be clear that that profile is managed by whatever other project applies. This way, we don't have to cover so much ground, but nobody needs to ask, "What, Ferdinand Grubstake doesn't count as notable just because he's from Fantasia? That's not fair!"

Oh, I see. Yes. Currently we put the French Roots Project box and the Notables sticker. Or both stickers, if we can't manage the profile. But it's still less satisfactory than your proposal.
I've been thinking on this for a bit, and I'm still on the fence with this one. On one hand, making a list of Unlisted profiles seems to me to be a clear violation of the privacy rules that the site is trying to set up. On the other hand, having a list would make it easier to avoid duplicates and help guide those who have a strong need to help out on the profile so that they can join the trusted list and make improvements and/or add death dates as needed. At this point, I'm hoping that existing data on G2G and Freespace pages is not something that's on the radar for scrutiny within the GDPR restrictions, but it's hard to say for now.

I'd say if we have data captured and everyone's currently aware of it, then let's just not add any new "living" and "unlisted" profiles to the list and hopefully this will keep us off the radar. This doesn't help to resolve the concern of living duplicates or finding profiles that you might want to assist in editing, but leaders can help to locate profiles that are marked Unlisted and we may have to rely on this for the time being.
Glad you brought up the French Roots Project, because to me that implies a dispora, And have Coco Chanel under "French roots" makes me wonder when the French are going to start complaining. Folks, she never left. She WAS French. French heritage, French born, French citizen, French! It's like saying Mandela has South African roots. Oh wait. We did that too!

So could there be a sub phrasing on Stickers that bundles her with the French group but isn't so grammatically dismissive?

And yes, I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, but that's not ya'lls problem.
Since you mention Gabrielle Chanel, I have a bigger issue with the middle name "Bonheur" which I can assure you is not on her birth certificate. I removed the French Roots sticker. The projects that deals with French people/people of French ancestry is called French Roots because that's what the original free-space project was called. I'm not a big fan of seeing "French origins" on profiles of people who were actually French (sometimes with no French ancestors!), but there's no easy solution.
Scott, I was thinking of just making the living notables page private, and accessible only to the leaders in the Notables Project, to use as a finding aid when we hear about the deaths of notables. But upon reflection, I realised that there is absolutely no need for such a thing: as long as the people who manage profiles of living celebrities add the Notables Project as manager, then the Watchlist of the Notables Project is all the finding aid necessary, and nobody even needs to maintain it! So we can delete the living notables from the page entirely. (And, yes, I agree that, while we probably can't outright stop people from making profiles for living notables, we should definitely encourage them to concentrate on deceased notables.)

Now I need to go through my watchlist and make sure that I've added the Notables Project as manager on the notable profiles.
Isabelle, I haven't tried this, but since it's a free-space profile, I'm wondering if creating a new free-space profile for the project, with a more appropriate name, and then merging the old profile into the new one, would result in links to the old project page automatically being directed to the new one. Has anybody ever tried doing that?
Ah, but it's no longer a free-space project. We have a full-blown "French Roots" project which I now think might be better named just "France". Maybe this will happen with time. The project was supposed to be French Roots initially, and then the scope got larger.

We can't really change the wording on the sticker. A switch to make the sticker "French origins" or "French" depending on a parameter is probably doable, but I'm a bit scared of complicated stickers.

As to the project banner, we could change it to ".... is managed by the French Roots project". That would even accomodate French notables with no French roots, like Josephine Baker, or Serge Gainsbourg.
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I am in for Team Tennessee Volunteers
answered by Linda Barnett G2G6 Pilot (206k points)
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Notables in the News

answered by Greg Slade G2G6 Pilot (116k points)
edited by Greg Slade
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Robynne, how do I join the Notables team please.  The spot I'm looking at says Closed.
answered by Kenneth Evans G2G6 (8.4k points)
All you need to do is ask and I can grant you the badge. You'll have it momentarily.
Thanks Scott!!
Thanks so much Scott and Robynne.
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I already connected them last month, but I'm rather enjoying building out the extended family of preacher Charles Chiniquy and surveyor Samuel Holland and will continue doing that for the time being.  I say extended family because they are only five degrees apart in the connection finder.

answered by Greg Lavoie G2G6 Pilot (100k points)
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I'm actually working on Japanese actress and Academy Award Winner Miyoshi Umeki at the moment. I will admit that my Japan Genealogy is pretty weak, so I'm working on her first husband, Fred Opie. I don't have a connection for her yet, but I've got a good number of relatives of Fred to work with and am hopeful that a connection will emerge eventually.

If anyone happens to come across the name of her father (who ws apparently a "wealthy industrialist" and "owned an iron foundry", please feel free to hop in and add him (or his wife, or any of her siblings).
answered by Scott Fulkerson G2G6 Pilot (328k points)
What did she win an Oscar for - and when?
She won for Best Supporting Actress for her role in the film Sayonara. It was a 1957 film, and the movie revolves around an ace US Air Force pilot, however, this is not the "winner" part of the movie. The Supporting Stars both won Academy Awards (Red Buttons and Miyoshi Ukemi) for their interracial marriage (American and Japanese) that despite the protests of his friends, his employers (the Air Force), and the US Government in general, they still go through with the marriage and make it work for them.
Cool. Thanks Scott.
I think I have a connection mapped out in my head - it will take a bit to prove it out, but I have found a profile already out there that should connect her to the tree. Just have to do the research to make sure it all works out.
Took me awhile, but I was able to get that connection in place. She is now connected to the Global Tree. I was also just about to give up on Karl Malden, when another branch appeared for me, so I'm going to give him a try. I'm not very hopeful, but at least I can build a bit more of his tree through his daughter and her marriage.
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I started a profile for photographer David Douglas Duncan, who died last week in the South of France, at age 102. I'm sorry, did not have a lot of time since to add ancestors.

answered by Isabelle Rassinot G2G6 Pilot (163k points)
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I'm working on adding Anthony Bourdain's French ancestors in the wake of his recent and untimely death.  I'm also embarking on a long-term project to document the descendants of explorer Louis Jolliet.

answered by Greg Lavoie G2G6 Pilot (100k points)
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On working the "Notable Profiles in Need of Notables Project Markers" list, I just realized that I should be putting the Project in as the manager on Orphaned Notables profiles. I finally got the mechanics of that down, but how do I add the "Project Protected" sticker while I am there?

answered by Rebecca Peterson G2G6 (8k points)
PPP prevents the LNAB from being changed except by the profile manager as well as prevents parents from being changed on the profile. You should make sure that you have these pieces in place prior to adding PPP to any profile. But once you are ready, you can add PPP by clicking the checkbox at the top of the profile. Note that PPP should only be added to profiles that the project is manager and is going to manage, so it won't be needed for most profiles. The exception would be any profile that has frequent changes of this data or has some sort of controversy attached to it - in which case, it is important to have a project as manager or co-manager so that they can manage the PPP status.
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I tripped over a couple of baseball players who are distant cousins of mine. One, James , has a wikipedia page and I have already worked out a halfway decent profile for him and added the notables sticker, the other one is his brother Isaac . does not have a wikipedia page but he played for several Major league teams as well. I am working on both brothers and have them connected.
answered by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
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I just confirmed that I connected [ Sally Kellerman], "Hot Lips" Houlihan, of M*A*S*H fame to the World Family Tree through Colonel William Whistler-169 ! Didn't know she was in Star Trek too.


answered by Rebecca Peterson G2G6 (8k points)
your Whistler link doesn't link to the person but to the whole list of Whistlers on WT.
Yes - she played the ill-fated crew member who gains psychic powers and defends the main crew against the other crew member who gains psychic powers, in the very first episode of the original Star Trek series. Both psychic crew members die, with Sally's character managing to kill the other, but essentially at the cost of her own life. Good role for her.
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I am working on two Notables from Tennessee, one is a former State Senator that needs additional biography, the other is a Medal of Honor winner who didn't have a profile.
answered ago by Emily Holmberg G2G6 (6.5k points)
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I'd like to join the project.
answered ago by Janettee McCrary G2G1 (1.9k points)
Welcome to the Notables Team!
Great, thank you!
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I recently adopted a profile of person connected to my family tree, whom I discovered is notable. I was wondering if someone could assist me with placement of appropriate tags. Thanks ahead of time :-)
answered ago by Elisa Mayfield G2G6 Mach 1 (18.5k points)
Gotcha covered! I also fixed the  anonymous on States Rights Gist Finley and wrote a small bio.

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