Looking for possible Brick Wall solution to John Golden/Golding's parentage

Question

Born abt 1750 in Culpeper County, Virginia to an unknown mother and father.

John Golden (or Golding/Goulding/Guldin/Goldin/Goulden/Gordon) is the very last direct lineage "Golden" I can find (son-to-father, etc.) He married Permilla Carder (Carder-313), and ever after, Goldens and Carders have been associated. This includes family migrations and further inter-marriages down the generations. DNA has not helped me with this particular brickwall (my YDNA is of the M-253 haplogroup, which is rare amongst Goldens).

Perhaps he was not a Golden originally and just adopted the name?

I think that uncovering information about colonial-era Virginian Carders would be very helpful too, considering their ties. A whole group of families (Goldens and Carders, included) mass-migrated to Harrison County in what is now West Virginia sometime in the 1790s. I even saw reference to a "Cardertown" in the area.

Thank you!

Answer 1

Name changes but same ancestry!

 

William Golding
1703–1782

Elizabeth Foster
1703–1777
Siblings

Elizabeth GOLDING
1732–1802

Mildred Permelia Golden
1734–1797

John Golding
1736–1814

Sarah Golding
1740–1812

Henry Golden
1740–1784

Robert GOLDING
1740–

James Golding
1740–

Reuben Golden
1741–1835

Richard GOLDING
1742–

Anthony GOLDING
1746–

Mary GOLDING
1750–
Spouse & Children

Sarah BELL
1735–1818

John Golden
1750–1816

William Golding
1766–1824

William Golding was born in 1703 in Essex, Virginia. He married Elizabeth Foster in 1728 in Middlesex, Virginia. They had 12 children in 20 years. He died on September 23, 1782, in Ninety Six, South Carolina, having lived a long life of 79 years.

Family Relationships
Children

William M. Golden/Golding
+ 11 Children

Elizabeth GOLDING

Mildred Permelia Golden

John Golding

Sarah Golding

Henry Golden

Robert GOLDING

James Golding

Reuben Golden

Richard GOLDING

Anthony GOLDING

Mary GOLDING

William Golding
Spouse

Elizabeth Foster

Answer 2

Hope this breaks the brick wall!

 

John Golden was born, the son of Permilla and John. He had three brothers and five sisters.

Family Relationships
Children
No known children

John Golden
Parents

John Golden

Permilla Carder

Life Story Events
Birth
John Golden was born to Permilla Carder and John Golden.
Virginia, USA
William M. Golden/Golding
1730–1812

Sarah BELL
1735–1818
Siblings
Spouse & Children

Permilla Carder
1765–1816

Mary Polly Golden
1785–

Henry Golden
1787–

Sally Golden
1789–1817

Nancy Golden
1793–1861

Willis W. Golden
1795–1863

Mildrige Golden
1797–

Lucy Golden
1799–1854

Jane Golden

John Golden

Comments

Thank you, Judyann!

I have seen that connection before and I'm fairly certain that it's not accurate. There were a few Golden/Golding families in Virginia at that time. I think this is a separate line entirely, but it keeps getting connected to John Golden just based on this info in Ancestry.com. I don't think there's an actual source for this connection.

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YDNA says that it is not possible for the two families to be related. The William Golding (c1704-1782) and Elizabeth Foster (c1704-1775) line has a very well-defined YDNA signature --- see this link for what a 12 marker match would look like.

Answer 3

Sorry Patrick . . . I'm only certain about my early C19th Gouldens/Gouldings/Goulans, living in East Yorkshire, England . . . and none of the 13 siblings born 1825 - 1849 emigrated to the USA

R-M269 -> L21 -> R-DF13